Kraoms Workbook

Been trying out SSILDS as well! haven't had much luck yet, but i feel like i'm getting closer. Seems like you've had lots of progress with them(: when you wake up in the morning is it due to an alarm? and after you wake up do you go straight to doing your SSILD or do you try and become more awake first? any tips on them would help me a bunch, thanks!

Originally Posted by SirCronus: Been trying out SSILDS as well! haven't had much luck yet, but i feel like i'm getting closer. Seems like you've had lots of progress with them(: when you wake up in the morning is it due to an alarm? and after you wake up do you go straight to doing your SSILD or do you try and become more awake first? any tips on them would help me a bunch, thanks! -------- I wake up after around five to five and a half hours of sleep naturally and do my SSILD reps. And after I wake up I check my phones time, after that I go straight into my SSILD reps, the idea being that you want to do it sleepily but not to the extent that you'll fall back asleep while doing the reps, you want to do four. So my tips would be do as if it were a WBTB time-wise but don't actually stay awake for long, unless you fall asleep easily. (For me I tend to stay awake too long if I'm awake doing it for too long.) And my last tip is that I don't use this as a method to go straight into a lucid dream but as an aid for the mindset of lucid dreaming. Like it says in the actual thread for SSILD, it influences future lucid dreams, which essentially it puts you in the right mindset for lucid dreaming. Oh and also once you start doing SSILD you might notice yourself having FAs, I have had an extreme increase in false awakenings ever since starting this, like CosmicIron said above SSILD is good at creating ultra-realistic FAs. So make sure you reality check when you wake up, and best of luck to you.

Nothing really to report this morning no lucids, sub-par recall, and didn't do any induction methods. So I guess I'll update my dream goals since I've been meaning to.: Lucid dreaming tasks Updated!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (X) Stabilize my dreams better -I can definitely stabilize now without doing verbal or physical things. (X) Fly again -Yep, I flew.. ( ) Be a vampire ( ) Ride a unicorn (/) Drive a car -Drove a motorcycle which was probably cooler.. idk. (/) Have a conversation with a dream character -Does it count as a / if I tried and they disappeared haha. ( ) Control an element ( ) Use the internet ( ) Task of the month- Drink magical potion ( ) Spawn a DC as a dream companion ( ) Attempt respawning previous DC companion (/) Telekinesis -Tried it but it didn't work, pretty sure I know why. ( ) Time dilation ( ) Meet my dream guide

A motorcycle is way cooler So this quasi-lucid stuff, it's because you suddenly become too aware of your real life body? I was just wondering if that was it specifically, because the times I worried about that in the past, I was worried about the same thing. For example, one time I wanted to yell "More Lucidity!" but I was afraid my real life voice would say it too, waking up my boyfriend and then I'd be really embarrassed haha. I ended up just going for it and he said he didn't hear anything. Another time, I was afraid to "get up out of my bed" in a newly formed LD, because I was afraid my real body would move, waking me up. I finally reached the point again where I said EFF IT and moved anyway, but I stayed lucid. I don't know if this is the same thing that you're experiencing or not, but it's something to think about. Oh, and also, I've experienced this at the end of a LD too, which sometimes wakes me up, but sometimes doesn't.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue: So this quasi-lucid stuff, it's because you suddenly become too aware of your real life body? I was just wondering if that was it specifically, because the times I worried about that in the past, I was worried about the same thing. For example, one time I wanted to yell "More Lucidity!" but I was afraid my real life voice would say it too, waking up my boyfriend and then I'd be really embarrassed haha. I ended up just going for it and he said he didn't hear anything. Another time, I was afraid to "get up out of my bed" in a newly formed LD, because I was afraid my real body would move, waking me up. I finally reached the point again where I said EFF IT and moved anyway, but I stayed lucid. I don't know if this is the same thing that you're experiencing or not, but it's something to think about. Oh, and also, I've experienced this at the end of a LD too, which sometimes wakes me up, but sometimes doesn't. -------- Well the first one yes, is because not that I worried about it but I thought about my real life body in general, and I've heard that causes loss of lucidity so naturally I believed and then so it happened when I thought about it, and I didn't wake up I'm pretty sure I just went into a FA where it looked like I was moving my real body. And the other instance was just I didn't really recall the details of the lucid I just remember I was lucid and driving a car and that's all. Also, some that I count as quasi-lucid in the past were just when I would get overexcited and wake myself up or just have no stabilization.

Well, this morning was an interesting morning. I had three more Quasi-Lucid experiences (this title just gets more and more fitting) and one really long interesting non-lucid or dream I should say since we shouldn't call them non lucid haha, and then just a few other little dreams. So let's start with the initial Quasi-Lucid, I had awoken later than I normally do but that didn't deter me from doing SSILD so I did and the went back to sleep. Alright so now I'm back asleep and in a dream. It appears that I'm at some party the party apparently for some girl who's trying to decided between which of these two men she was dating. The girl was blonde and the first man was also blonde (she seemed to like him better) and the other man was black haired (he seemed a bit jealous.) Anyways, I was watching them sitting on a couch and when I got up I saw a wall turn a polka dot pattern. I was thinking to myself that it was odd, and as I thought that as man's voice told me that I was dreaming. So now I became lucid but it was sort of hazy almost like my eyes were closed. I was saying, "Who said that? Who said that?" trying to figure out who it had been that told me I was dreaming. So, I was trying to open my eyes to get this haze away and the next thing I know my real life bodies eyes open.. Anyways, so I don't count that because I couldn't really do or see anything.. D: Alright, on to the next! I had just awaken from my other Quasi-Lucid and decided that I would do more SSILD so I did then went back to sleep. And now I'm in a dream. So I was walking to a 7-11 with my older brother and he was talking to me about drinking asking me if I liked it. So once we were inside of the 7-11 he was asking me about if drinking was my new thing and if I liked it also at some point he used the word orgasmic to describe it. I hadn't said anything to him yet and was just kind of confused especially at his word choice. So I was about to tell him that I actually felt kind of drunk at the time we were talking, which then made me wonder how had I gotten this way.. So thinking back on it there was nothing so I came to the conclusion that I was in a dream. Then suddenly my dream just ended. So this one is even lesser then the first one didn't even get to do anything after I realized I was dreaming. Alright final one. So I just recalled right now how this happened exactly. Was a little hazy on it. Anyways so, I had woken up from my first Quasi-Lucid stated here but I hadn't actually I was in a false awakening. So I got up and it seemed like my cousins were visiting at my house. Which I thought was a little odd but with my dream logic I decided not to question it. I remember walking down the stairs and then when I finally got to my pantry to look what was in it something made me question things I don't really recall what but something. So I became lucid yet again. And I don't remember much after that other than nothing happened. Ok so that's all of that.. Yea interesting morning pretty sure that my lucidity was messed up because of how late in the morning it was and I would normally be awake already.. And I'll post my long interesting dream in my dream journal later after I put all the pieces of it together.

Wow, you had a busy morning! I know it's frustrating when you get lucid and it's right before you wake up. That still happens to me alot. One of the things that has helped me combat this is being able to sleep in as late as I want. Though most of my DEILDs occur between 8-10am or so, I like knowing that I could stay in bed as late as 12noon if I wanted to. That way there's no stress and I can comfortably go back to sleep in between each period of waking up (WBTB). Don't know if that's related to the issue your having or not, but it popped into my head. I was going to say something else too but I just forgot.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue: Wow, you had a busy morning! I know it's frustrating when you get lucid and it's right before you wake up. That still happens to me alot. One of the things that has helped me combat this is being able to sleep in as late as I want. Though most of my DEILDs occur between 8-10am or so, I like knowing that I could stay in bed as late as 12noon if I wanted to. That way there's no stress and I can comfortably go back to sleep in between each period of waking up (WBTB). Don't know if that's related to the issue your having or not, but it popped into my head. I was going to say something else too but I just forgot. -------- Oh it was quite a busy morning, this all happened within an hour and a half of sleep and that also includes the dream I just posted in my dream journal which is a huge dream. Anyways my problem was that I think I was nearing the end of my sleep cycle since I normally would have been awake when they occurred. Although I guess it's possible that I just thought that so that is what happened, either way still a fun morning.

Yeah I love any lucids I have, or even "lucid challenged" dreams if they're vivid and I recall alot of detail. I remembered the other thing I wanted to say: another cool thing about you getting lucid the way you do (in the middle of the dream, when "things just don't seem right"), is you can feel the difference between just going on with the dream in your merry little way, then boom you're aware that you're dreaming. So you really get the opportunity multiple times to feel the distinct differences between the two different dream states. That way in the future, you may even be able to lock on to that sensation earlier on in the dream because you've experienced the feeling so many times now.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue: I remembered the other thing I wanted to say: another cool thing about you getting lucid the way you do (in the middle of the dream, when "things just don't seem right"), is you can feel the difference between just going on with the dream in your merry little way, then boom you're aware that you're dreaming. So you really get the opportunity multiple times to feel the distinct differences between the two different dream states. That way in the future, you may even be able to lock on to that sensation earlier on in the dream because you've experienced the feeling so many times now. -------- Yea it definitely is, I always feel different when I'm in a dream so I think that in the future It'll make it easy for me to be able to tell when I'm dreaming just from knowing the feeling from previous lucid dreams.

Alright so I had two lucid dreams this morning (not quasi-lucid!) well one lucid dream and one lucid false awakening, which was cool since that was the first time I ever actually noticed a FA without waking up. So, yea this is what happened I woke up later again at 6 AM and again said well I'll still do my SSILD reps so I did, and then go back to sleep and realize I'm dreaming. And I became lucid by just pure feeling like I just realized I wasn't awake. And although I forgot about my challenge with dave (which I could have easily done!) I did stop time in my dream, although I didn't dilate time, but then again I didn't try to. So then after my lucid I woke up into a FA, except I didn't actually wake up, my eyes were still closed. So when I was trying to open them I noticed that something was off and I actually felt lighter then I normally do while sleeping. So when I opened them I was in my room like a false awakening and I was sitting on the edge of my bed. So I was pretty much already lucid. Anyways, I walked around my room and kept the dream stable pretty much I felt confined since the door to my room was shut, like I wouldn't be able to pass through. I'll post in more detail on each of these in my dream journal. Also, I remembered that I could have had another dream like that false awakening because I felt the same way again and was working on opening my eyes when I thought about my real body which now ruins things if I think about it.. Also a message to Caenis: Haha, did your homework! I don't fail . Although I did it out of order, longer one first shorter one after..

Great job, kraom! Awesome that you were able to become lucid because of the feel of the dream, really amazing. I'll have to pay attention to what my dreams feel like, recognizing that feeling must be extremely handy. I'm proud of you man, you're getting really good at this. Take some ridiculous looking cookies as your reward:

Originally Posted by Caenis: Great job, kraom! Awesome that you were able to become lucid because of the feel of the dream, really amazing. I'll have to pay attention to what my dreams feel like, recognizing that feeling must be extremely handy. I'm proud of you man, you're getting really good at this. -------- Haha, thanks I thought it was pretty fun how pretty much spot on your prediction was from last night.. And the feeling is pretty handy to recognize it's happened to me in more than one of my lucids..

Originally Posted by Caenis: Can you explain what that feeling is like? What is it exactly that you recognize? The only things that I can think of are different are: touch and pain are dull; I don't think much in dreams, and I'm never too worried about anything. I'm really curious about what it is that you sense that is different. -------- Hmm alright it's kind of an obscure sense. Let me see how I would describe it. Alright so, the sense I get is really nothing tangible such as touch or pain, it's more like when I'm walking through a dream and I just feel something like in the atmosphere of the dream itself that lets me know that it's a dream. Hmm, so for me dreams often feel different then real life there's a sort of difference that I can sense, also in a dream I feel physically different. What I mean by that is in a dream I feel not weightless my body still has weight to it, but I feel like a sort of nothingness around me and not in a negative way. So for instance in real life I may feel a slump in my shoulders or my posture might not feel straight while I'm walking and also most of the time in real life I feel a slight pressure in my skull, but in my dream I don't feel anything. Like there's no aliments on my body. I'm also usually always in a cheerful disposition in my dreams like there isn't a care in the world, and there isn't I'm in a dream! So all of this sort of combines into just a sort of sense that I must be in a dream. Sorry if I didn't explain it well it's a little hard to describe a feeling I get in dreams lol.

I get it now, it makes perfect sense. Now that you explained it, I can see similar trends in my dreams. You're right, posture, my facial expressions or where my limbs are, I can see them all, but I never physically feel them in my dreams. Thanks man, I appreciate you elaborating. I'll try to keep those things in mind from now on!

Originally Posted by Kraom: Alright so I had two lucid dreams this morning (not quasi-lucid!) well one lucid dream and one lucid false awakening, which was cool since that was the first time I ever actually noticed a FA without waking up. So, yea this is what happened I woke up later again at 6 AM and again said well I'll still do my SSILD reps so I did, and then go back to sleep and realize I'm dreaming. And I became lucid by just pure feeling like I just realized I wasn't awake. And although I forgot about my challenge with dave (which I could have easily done!) I did stop time in my dream, although I didn't dilate time, but then again I didn't try to. So then after my lucid I woke up into a FA, except I didn't actually wake up, my eyes were still closed. So when I was trying to open them I noticed that something was off and I actually felt lighter then I normally do while sleeping. So when I opened them I was in my room like a false awakening and I was sitting on the edge of my bed. So I was pretty much already lucid. Anyways, I walked around my room and kept the dream stable pretty much I felt confined since the door to my room was shut, like I wouldn't be able to pass through. I'll post in more detail on each of these in my dream journal. Also, I remembered that I could have had another dream like that false awakening because I felt the same way again and was working on opening my eyes when I thought about my real body which now ruins things if I think about it.. Also a message to Caenis: Haha, did your homework! I don't fail . Although I did it out of order, longer one first shorter one after.. -------- That's the way to go my friend! You are becoming more sensative to the subtle feelings and your awareness has increased through the practice. The state of your mind and body changes a lot throughout the sleep. The better you can perceive these subtle changes the more effective you will become. SSILD will amplify these changes and increase your awareness somewhat, but in the end it's YOU who will need to catch them Congratulations again.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue: Were you a flapper? -------- Ahhh I wish.. haha. All I did was walk in some mall type thing where there were a whole bunch of guys coming out of a spa in white robes. Then I went to a theme park out back of this mall thing.. so boring when I think I could have been a flapper

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue: Oh cool, well dome Kraom! Are you going to post it in your DJ? Or a part of it? I'd love to read it! -------- I would post it to my dream journal, I do have it written out in my physical journal, but since I'm away from home it'd be a little much to type via phone. Considering It's a good 5-6 pages in my physical journal. But maybe I'll post it later if I get bored

That's a bummer kraom. Hopefully your recall comes back tonight. Sometimes the first night or two in a new place hurts recall, so if you're lucky, you'll be able to recall a few dreams tomorrow and the next night! Okay man, your (unofficial) homework is to have a lucid dream while camping. You have two more nights right? I'm sure you'll manage! And have fun.

Originally Posted by Caenis: That's a bummer kraom. Hopefully your recall comes back tonight. Sometimes the first night or two in a new place hurts recall, so if you're lucky, you'll be able to recall a few dreams tomorrow and the next night! Okay man, your (unofficial) homework is to have a lucid dream while camping. You have two more nights right? I'm sure you'll manage! And have fun. -------- Alright so I had some better recall and drum roll...... A lucid! It was an interesting one because although I was lucid I was already sort of entwined in the dream. Anyways I had an awesome hand to hand fight with some Jamaican guy and ended up saving some DCs from a bomb he had. ( Hopefully now my DCs won't hate me.) Another cool part was I managed to bring the dream back after it had faded.