Ssild Test 30 Days

Day 5 Alarm got me out of bed about 5 and half hours of sleep. I was ina dream where in some point I said to myself "so this is a dream, huh. But is it a nightmare, or just a dream with some action? Apparently it is just an action story" and then the dream went on. No real licidity arised, but it gets me rhinking I am getting close. Anyway, Woke myself more fully this time, to the point I wascapable of doing all the cycles without falling asleep. Mind wandered off just a few times and I quickly realized it. While i write this I recalled a dream and apparently it began with a false awakening. Hey, BrandonBoss, I remember you said you did some conditioning fr waking up after every REM cycle. Do you you feel it affects your sleep? And would you mind sharing how you do it? :p DILDs: 0, FAs: 1

Originally Posted by aquafox12: And I took someone's advice and attempted to roll over and see if I roll into a dream. Nothing happened, typically. But there's something I don't get: are you supposed to roll physically or mentally, cause I was full-aware that I was awake. I don't get it! D: -------- The one time I successfully rolled out of bed, into an "OOBE", it was in-between mental rolling and physical rolling. It was basically trying to shift your weight without actually moving your body. As a kid, maybe you remember doing that for fun or something. (I know I did) So anyway, if I were to say how to do it, I'd say 'anticipate your rolling over, and try to do so as hard as you can without ending up actually moving, at least, not more than an inch or so'. You just want to get that feeling of weightiness on one side, of your muscles pulling in that direction but not hard enough to actually turn you over. I've only had one "OOBE", though, so maybe that's not how it feels for most people. Once I did the above, with a bit more effort I got my dream body to roll off the bed, and yet felt that it wasn't enough to have moved me if I was actually awake. So I think dream movements require less will-power to be realized, so you can take advantage of this and keep yourself from accidentally rolling off the bed while you're still awake.

Originally Posted by Venryx: The one time I successfully rolled out of bed, into an "OOBE", it was in-between mental rolling and physical rolling. It was basically trying to shift your weight without actually moving your body. As a kid, maybe you remember doing that for fun or something. (I know I did) So anyway, if I were to say how to do it, I'd say 'anticipate your rolling over, and try to do so as hard as you can without ending up actually moving, at least, not more than an inch or so'. You just want to get that feeling of weightiness on one side, of your muscles pulling in that direction but not hard enough to actually turn you over. I've only had one "OOBE", though, so maybe that's not how it feels for most people. Once I did the above, with a bit more effort I got my dream body to roll off the bed, and yet felt that it wasn't enough to have moved me if I was actually awake. So I think dream movements require less will-power to be realized, so you can take advantage of this and keep yourself from accidentally rolling off the bed while you're still awake. -------- Ooooohhh, ok. I've never actually been in SP, but I have experienced hypnogogia while still awake. However, that only lasted for like, three seconds :I How exactly would you describe SP? Cause I've felt numb and tingly before, but it's not like I was cemented in one place.

Originally Posted by aquafox12: Ooooohhh, ok. I've never actually been in SP, but I have experienced hypnogogia while still awake. However, that only lasted for like, three seconds :I How exactly would you describe SP? Cause I've felt numb and tingly before, but it's not like I was cemented in one place. -------- SP is when you can't move your body because it is paralyzed. Numb and tingly feelings are just the feelings of falling asleep. SP occurs as soon as you enter REM. So on initial sleep you can only enter SP after the first 85 min. After that it just all depends on when you fall asleep, when you wake up. Naps you usually go right into REM after you fall asleep, unless you wait a long time in the day before taking the nap. Day 8 (for real this time) NO LDs. Remembered every dream I had through the night, but I need to get up for a second before I do my cycles, I am falling asleep halfway through. Not a good thing if I am only using this tech. I have noted problem though, and I will fix tonight! lucidity tonight! yay!

Day 7 No results, but my attempts weren't as good as I hoped, but I am getting better at finding a balance for how long to stay up beforehand. I also realized that all this time I haven't been making it to the long cycles which is evidently the most important part. Nights attempted: 6; Lucid Dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss: SP is when you can't move your body because it is paralyzed. Numb and tingly feelings are just the feelings of falling asleep. SP occurs as soon as you enter REM. So on initial sleep you can only enter SP after the first 85 min. After that it just all depends on when you fall asleep, when you wake up. Naps you usually go right into REM after you fall asleep, unless you wait a long time in the day before taking the nap. Day 8 (for real this time) NO LDs. Remembered every dream I had through the night, but I need to get up for a second before I do my cycles, I am falling asleep halfway through. Not a good thing if I am only using this tech. I have noted problem though, and I will fix tonight! lucidity tonight! yay! -------- If you run into the "falling asleep halfway" situation, you should definitely do RCs upon each awakening because FAs are very likely to occur.

Day 31 No time, no attempt, no result. Attempts: 14, Lucids: 8, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day 32 - A This one was odd. I still don't know exactly what happened. But it involved at least some lucid dreaming, (the part where I plugged my nose and could still breath and thus opened my eyes), so I'm going to count it as a lucid no matter what the rest was. Has anyone else had this happen to them? (details below, but basically, seeming to see the real world while feeling a dream body) Here's the account: Lucid Dream 36 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Attempts: 15, Lucids: 9, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day 32 - B Another lucid and at least three more false awakenings. (I forgot most of the dream, due to dream layering and distractions on waking up) Here's the account: Lucid Dream 37 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Attempts: 16, Lucids: 10, OBE's: 1, FA's: 20, HI's: 2

Originally Posted by Venryx: Day 31 - A This one was odd. I still don't know exactly what happened. But it involved at least some lucid dreaming, (the part where I plugged my nose and could still breath and thus opened my eyes), so I'm going to count it as a lucid no matter what the rest was. Has anyone else had this happen to them? (details below, but basically, seeming to see the real world while feeling a dream body) Here's the account: Lucid Dream 36 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Attempts: 15, Lucids: 9, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day 31 - B Another lucid and at least three more false awakenings. (I forgot most of the dream, due to dream layering and distractions on waking up) Here's the account: Lucid Dream 37 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Attempts: 16, Lucids: 10, OBE's: 1, FA's: 20, HI's: 2 -------- Here is a post I published a while ago, which should give you some ideas on your first question: http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ind-ssild.html The intermediary state mentioned in that post can produce very interesting result. The most significant one being that you can see both the real world AND your dream body at the same time! Also you can control both the physical and dream bodies at the same time. This is a very dramatic effect to say the least.

Very interesting... I read it once before, but having experienced something similar makes me take the theory more seriously/appreciate its implications more. It seems that there is something special about this technique, producing results that are similar to WILDs, but without the direct entry, as well as some special results of its own.

Day 6 Naturally woke up, went to the bathroom and exposed myself to some light. As I was going back to bed, I thought "wait, I have barely been up for 3 minutes. And I can clearly feel that if I lay down now I will be sleeping before the second quick cycle is over" than I got up again, turned the lights on in my bedroom and came to Dreamviews. Here I saw Matt1 talking about doing the cycles in a chair to make sure they are done. I realized that yesterday, when I did all the cycles, ws the first time I had a False Awakening, so I decided to give his idea a shot. So I did all the cycles sitting on a chair, and then went to my bed. However, once I got to my bed I became to lazy for doing the cycles. Even the quick cycles. I simply couldn't find the motivation for spending more time doing that. Besides, my thoughts were a little aggitated. Anyway, I forced myself to do couple more of cycles just to relax myself into sleep, and quickly became asleep. Then I had a False Awakening. But I woke sitting on my chair, pretty tired. My hands were funny, like some fingers getting invisible every once in a while and having the sensation I could cross one hand through the other. I decided to do a nose-plug (something I have never done before) to see whether I was dreaming or just hallucinating out of tiredness. I did the RC, but paid no attention to the result and immediately close my eyes to get some sleep. The moment I closed my dream eyes, I opened my real ones and found myself laying on my bed. Too tired to do any other cycles, I just got back to sleep. Then I had one long, vivid dream. Funny thing, somewhen during the dream I was talking to my girlfriend and I told her about my false awakening. So that's it. I think the chair idea may be good after all. I am also with the sensation there is still something lacking in my practice for me to attain lucidity. I am getting closer, evidently, but I still have not been capable of getting there. Maybe I need more time, or maybe I just need to find a missing piece. Who knows? DILDs: 0, FAs: 2

You were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure.

ou were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure. -------- I feel like I am getting closer and closer. First, dream vividness and recall improved. Then I began talking about lucid dreams every now and then during my dreams. Now I have been having some more false awakenings and ultimately have even been considering the possibility of being on a dream while I am dreaming. Though lucidity has yet to be attained, I am pretty happy with SSILD. The only thing is that I keep constantly asking myself whether I have been getting closer to lucidity thanks to sheer practice, or maybe I have begun adding new things that are helping and I still am not aware pf them. Maybe there still is something lacking for me? Anyway, I will keep trying and eventually everything will fall right into place. Thanks for the support.

Attempt 2 Good news everyone! No matter how poorly your progress is coming, you're probably sill doing better than me. Last night, I woke up at 4am and did a few cycles before going back to sleep. I had almost no recall whatsoever, before or after. I don't know what's up. My recall is usually waaaay better than that. Lucid: 0 False Awakening: 0

Addendum on Day 7: I should add that on two awakenings I was able to do maybe 3 short cycles instead of just 1 as I usually did the last couple nights, and I think I had better logical thinking in the dream as a result. In 2 dreams I was reading about LDing, and in another the text on and in a book kept changing, and didn't make logical sense, and I noted this in the dream, but never became lucid. And another point where I was having trouble falling asleep, and my body felt weightier on one side than another, for some unknown reason. I remember thinking I read something like this can be used to induce "OBEs" (which I think are just a type of LD), but I still felt awake at that point and was too distracted by random thoughts to do the cycles, and didn't really remember what to do, so I did nothing. Day 8 I did the cycles sitting somewhat in bed with my head against the headboard, and this seemed to help me finish them. Staying up about 5-10 minutes beforehand seemed to help too, the one time I did it, otherwise random thoughts were really distracting. However I still got no results, and had low dream awareness as the previous days. I am wondering if maybe I tried too hard - I had 6 awakenings and did the cycles on each one, plus when going to sleep, but I must admit I got sick of doing it after a few times and probably didn't do it very good later on. Tonight I will set my alarm for just twice, and stay up for 10 minutes before each time, any other awakenings that occur I will try a MILD mantra and get back to sleep quickly. Attempts: 7; Lucid dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2 lucsande, Good to hear the sitting in a chair idea worked. I wondered if it might cause FAs in the wrong location. You were really close to having a lucid dream! Just keep it up, you'll have one soon I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Matt1: Addendum on Day 7: I should add that on two awakenings I was able to do maybe 3 short cycles instead of just 1 as I usually did the last couple nights, and I think I had better logical thinking in the dream as a result. In 2 dreams I was reading about LDing, and in another the text on and in a book kept changing, and didn't make logical sense, and I noted this in the dream, but never became lucid. And another point where I was having trouble falling asleep, and my body felt weightier on one side than another, for some unknown reason. I remember thinking I read something like this can be used to induce "OBEs" (which I think are just a type of LD), but I still felt awake at that point and was too distracted by random thoughts to do the cycles, and didn't really remember what to do, so I did nothing. Day 8 I did the cycles sitting somewhat in bed with my head against the headboard, and this seemed to help me finish them. Staying up about 5-10 minutes beforehand seemed to help too, the one time I did it, otherwise random thoughts were really distracting. However I still got no results, and had low dream awareness as the previous days. I am wondering if maybe I tried too hard - I had 6 awakenings and did the cycles on each one, plus when going to sleep, but I must admit I got sick of doing it after a few times and probably didn't do it very good later on. Tonight I will set my alarm for just twice, and stay up for 10 minutes before each time, any other awakenings that occur I will try a MILD mantra and get back to sleep quickly. Attempts: 7; Lucid dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2 lucsande, Good to hear the sitting in a chair idea worked. I wondered if it might cause FAs in the wrong location. You were really close to having a lucid dream! Just keep it up, you'll have one soon I'm sure. -------- 6 awakenings? Be careful, that's a sign of them being the super-realistic FAs we have been talking about all along!

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: 6 awakenings? Be careful, that's a sign of them being the super-realistic FAs we have been talking about all along! -------- I wish they were, but I have the DJ entries to prove each one. I get so many awakenings by setting alarms, but I usually wake up before them anyway, knowing it's coming. I used to experiment with EILD and I found that too many awakenings or for too long really hurts recall and dream awareness, and I think that's what happened last night. I've learned that sometimes less is more. BrandonBoss, how many cycles are you typically able to do before falling asleep?

Attempt 3 This is going nowhere. I woke up at 3am, got out of bed for a bit, came back and maybe did like two cycles before falling asleep. I remembered three or so dreams that night, but I noticed no difference in them. I need to extend my WBTB time a bit, I think. Lucid: 0 False Awakening: 0

Originally Posted by VagalTone: it seems to me one can become really good at LD if we get used to RC at each awakening.. -------- Only if you are using method that induces FAs. No lucid tonight. Almost though. I started realizing things were off right before I woke up and told the DCs that I had to get up and go to work, so I guess part of me knew I was sleeping. I am going to drink some water tonight to force me to get up. I keep falling asleep in the middle. :/

Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder: Attempt 3 This is going nowhere. I woke up at 3am, got out of bed for a bit, came back and maybe did like two cycles before falling asleep. I remembered three or so dreams that night, but I noticed no difference in them. I need to extend my WBTB time a bit, I think. Lucid: 0 False Awakening: 0 -------- Try to get more sleep first. Extend it by one hour and see if there is any difference.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss: Only if you are using method that induces FAs. No lucid tonight. Almost though. I started realizing things were off right before I woke up and told the DCs that I had to get up and go to work, so I guess part of me knew I was sleeping. I am going to drink some water tonight to force me to get up. I keep falling asleep in the middle. :/ -------- Yeah, the last two days I also got very close at realizing I was dreaming, except for me during my regular sleep session. The first time, I actually plugged my nose. It was inconclusive, though, because I couldn't feel it enough either way. So I did it a second time, and then was standing there trying to figure out if it was a positive or negative result, when I woke up. So a few more seconds and I probably would have had it. The second time, I think people were talking about lucid dreaming, or something else which could have triggered lucidity but didn't. So it's neat, because these are starting to happen automatically without techniques.

Day 9 No results, but a poor night to try. I woke up after only 4 hours to do it and had to get up less than two hours later. I didn't get to do as many cycles as I had hoped either. I also took a nap, no results, but it was a late afternoon nap. I did find though that having no fan for the nap helps keep me from falling asleep sooner than I like, I was pretty happy with that SSILD attempt for the nap, so I will have to turn the fan off tonight for the WBTBs. Maybe I will be able to finally do some attempts I am happy with. Attempts: 8; Lucid dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2 Originally Posted by Venryx: The second time, I think people were talking about lucid dreaming, or something else which could have triggered lucidity but didn't. So it's neat, because these are starting to happen automatically without techniques. -------- Lately this happens to me like 1-2 times per night. Probably would make an excellent dream sign, but these same dreams are ones where awareness is really low (read: I am too dumb to notice). Not sure if SSILD is causing dreams to be on this subject, probably just coincidence.

I have tried SSILD 2 times. i had a bunch of FAs ( in which i got lucid* ) and a DILD last night. First time i couldnt get back to sleep, but after reading tutorial again i know i was putting much effort.: Thank you CosmicIron for your tutorials and dedication ! * @ BrandonBoss: it explains my last post

Day 10 Ah, never mind the turning the fan off thing. Every time I do this I don't sleep deep enough or something, and wake up soon after. And I still am needing to work a little on that balance of sleepy and wakefulness for doing the cycles. BUT - I have results! 2 FAs. One tactile-only where I was plugging my nose and breathing, and one right after where I thought I woke up from trying to do something with the previous one. Wasn't fully lucid, but close. Attempts: 9; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4