Ssild Test 30 Days

Originally Posted by Matt1: Ah, never mind the turning the fan off thing. Every time I do this I don't sleep deep enough or something, and wake up soon after. And I still am needing to work a little on that balance of sleepy and wakefulness for doing the cycles. -------- Don't worry about it. I leave my fan on *every time*, and it's been working just fine. Originally Posted by Matt1: BUT - I have results! 2 FAs. One tactile-only where I was plugging my nose and breathing, and one right after where I thought I woke up from trying to do something with the previous one. Wasn't fully lucid, but close. Attempts: 9; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4 -------- Great! For me the false awakenings just kept multiplying... once you get used to catching them, you can get lucid a lot more often. (I'd say the majority of my lucids from this technique are now from FA's where I do reality checks)

Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder: Attempt 3 This is going nowhere. I woke up at 3am, got out of bed for a bit, came back and maybe did like two cycles before falling asleep. I remembered three or so dreams that night, but I noticed no difference in them. I need to extend my WBTB time a bit, I think. Lucid: 0 False Awakening: 0 -------- I think the reason it isn't working for you is the same reason it wasn't doing me any good the last several days, which is: falling asleep too soon. You could try: -Make sure you wake up and move around enough so you don't fall asleep too fast. -Make sure you get a decent number of cycles in and that they are long enough. -I think too that if random thoughts from drowsiness interrupt too much during the cycles, the cycles don't have much effect. -And you don't have to fall asleep while doing the cycles, you can do like 6 or 7 (of decent length) and fall asleep afterward thinking about something else. -You can also do the cycles laying in a position you don't typically sleep in, so you don't fall asleep too fast: i.e. on your back if you typically sleep on the side or on your stomach. Then you can turn over and go to sleep after the cycles.

Just thought I'd share this comment from the dream journal about how I do SSILD. Hope it's helpful. It's basically the way CosmicIron suggests in his most recent SSILD guide: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD) Official Tutorial I start out doing them for about 5 seconds each, and then each time I extend it by about 33%. So by the end of 7 cycles, it's something like: Cycle 1: 5, 5, 5 Cycle 2: 7, 7, 7 Cycle 3: 9, 9, 9 Cycle 4: 12, 12, 12 Cycle 5: 16, 16, 16 Cycle 6: 21, 21, 21 Cycle 7: 28, 28, 28 Of course, this is just a rough estimation, even my multiplication above wasn't accurate. In reality, I do it differently each time, depending on how much feedback I'm getting, how tired I am, etc. But I usually end up doing it for around 3 to 5 minutes. And no, I don't fall asleep while doing the cycles. I used to do that, but then I found out it actually works better if I just do it correctly for a short period of time, and then get into a comfortable position, relax, and just fall asleep thinking about whatever I feel like. This is nice, because I really enjoy thinking about stuff while in bed. (I like to analyze events and ideas, and in bed there are no distractions) In retrospect, it takes only a few minutes for me to fall asleep, and I either find myself in a false awakening, find myself in a dream and become lucid, or just have a vivid non-lucid dream, (although these are becoming less common now). EDIT: The hardest part for me with this technique at the start, is that I had trouble letting go and falling asleep without continuing to do any cycles. It made me feel like I was wasting time and not using it to improve my chances. (in fact, I kind of cheated and kept doing them anyway) But the cool thing about this technique is that I've learned it works just as well without continuing all those cycles, and you can fall asleep way faster if you don't do them. Although, I don't think it really hurts to, so if you feel like doing extra cycles, feel free to do so but you'll probably be staying awake longer. I guess that would fine, actually, since that way you can test it for yourself and find what works for you, i.e. the optimal number of cycles to do, by cutting it down gradually. --------:

Originally Posted by Venryx: Just thought I'd share this comment from the dream journal about how I do SSILD. Hope it's helpful. It's basically the way CosmicIron suggests in his most recent SSILD guide: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD) Official Tutorial -------- This is an excellent instruction. Can I use it and add it to the Q&A section of the tutorial?

3 LDs. Ummm... I dont know what just happened. I had about 10 hours of dreams/FAs/lucid dreams. I figured at the end that I would wake up and it would be morning. It has been less than 3 hours. This gives me supposedly less than 15 minutes of REM. I am gonna write down all of it real fast so I don't forget (it was a crazy dream).: Spoiler for dreams : -------- So I am living in a huge house with loads of other people (sadly. I would love this. I love friends and stuff like that). I keep travelling between the two, and then I decide to go to bed. I fall asleep, wake up IRL. Go back to sleep. Wake up there (I incubate my dreams. I spend most of my nights in the same place all night) when I wake up there I realize I am dreaming. I go outside. Go to the "girls building." (In my mind I am younger, and most things are segregated by gender, it is a weird place). When I get there all the gals are either sleeping or gone. I go upstairs and my x is up there (from about 6 years ago, first GF and only gal I dated besides my wife) I talked to her about some things for about 10 minutes. It took me about a minute as well to make sure she was her (dreams change a lot). I wake up. Go back to sleep. Back in the room. This time not lsee lucid. I go down to a huge party. I am naked. I grab a pair of underwear and need to get back to my room. Tons of people. Most ignore me through. I make it upstairs (like 17 awkwardly sized stairs). I wake up. Back to sleep. I am driving down the highway going away from a city (weirdly enough the city my x lived in, and yes I post too many parentheses ) I realize I was just not driving. Probably a dream! I look in the mirror and everything looks normal. Then I see another mirror in the back seat. It takes me a while to readjust, but I pull over and can now see the back of my head in the rear view mirror and the other mirror. this has to be a dream. I start driving like a maniac (2 minutes) and start going into the sky. everything grades out. I wake up, and back to sleep. I wake up. Realize I am dreaming and start talking to DCs. Nothing else I can remember of this. Probably more later. wake up. Man the kids downstairs are loud. I look out across the huge houses and think about the dream I just had about going over to the other side and talking to my x. She would freak out if she knew that. I could see her hanging with people from there. I start writing in my DJ. Then I actually wake up. Back to sleep. Now I am in a future mall. This old man is telling me about a competition. It just keeps going until there is only one person left. Most everyone gets a huge was of cash. It is a test of the mind and of the body. Just my type. My sister signs up too. She is definitely the type that would, she is a beast. We go through tons of obstacles and things. Some even involving the house from the previous dream. Then we are near the ocean. Kevin from the office is participating via a really buff dude. We are all rowing and pushing something. The fat rich man gets on a podium and tells us who won. He said the last part can have two winners, they just have to survive. Everyone else has been disqualified but me and my sister. We jump on a raft. My sis is now my wife, don't know when that switch happened. It goes out into the ocean. We are just floating along the shore. Nothing big. Then the ocean led us up to a street and we start walking. I am getting clothes again. The mall we were at earlier is a inside/outside futuristic mall. I buy some clothes. I get to the fat rich man and he tells us we can split a million and have more presents. He gives me a peice of bread with the Money and a pipe in it. before giving it to me he shows me that there is a bomb inside. He gives me a diamond ring as well. He uses the same type of bomb for his assistant and blows off both his hands. I tear the money and the pipe from the bread and drop the bread. I leave to go to celebration parties. After a long time there I want to get back to my wife (we went to different parties). I am talking to my LDer (while driving the opposite way down the same road i became lucid on) friend and telling him about the lucid that I had in the car the previous night. He said "don't ever look in mirrors" and moved the car mirror away from us. I told him that some people use it as an RC. He stopped talking to me. I got on my phone on DV and lots of people were asking me to make holographic cards for them. I didn't have the time, but I thought it was funny because I noted that Cmind wanted a holographic card of mzzkc. In the dream I replied with that being weird since mzzkc is a friend of mine IRL. Which isn't true. For some reason in the dream he was an old man I know (not too old. 55ish). I woke up. -------- Going back to sleep now. Talk to you in the morning. hopefully more LDs.

Awesome. I wish I could have longer lucid dreams. The longest I've had is around 30 minutes, and even that I don't remember 90% of it, but know on awakening by feeling, though it's hard to describe. Like having a sense of time without specific memories. I just asked my one other friend who's had a lucid dream how long his first and so far only lucid dream lasted, and he said it "felt like 6 hours, but was actually an hour and a half". I'm guessing it was actually less than that, but either way that's way longer than any of my lucid dreams! Now I'm a little jealous... I'm curious if maybe my dreams are short in part because I expect them to be short? I asked him, and he said he never heard that lucid dreams are 'supposed to be' short, (although now he knows), so maybe this does have an effect on things. EDIT: Oh, by the way, what technique did you use for that? SSILD is my favorite now for WBTB's, but I want to find a second technique that will help me make use of the mid-night dreams, i.e. a technique that I can use before bed each night. I read in Stephen LaBerge's book that MILD can work quite reliably... do you think I should try that?

Longest LD was 30 minutes. Longest dream seemed about 2 weeksish. :/ I think expectation helps a lot with this as well. You should change your expectation. The best way for this is sivasons yoga class. Meditation helps with a lot of things. I have been using MILD even though I said I was only gonna use SSILD. just using a mantra and intent. I started DDA yesterday as well, since I got bored. I needed LDs

Day 11 No results or effects, but I did the WBTB at a little over 4 hours after bed and had a natural awakening 1 hour later, and had to get up only a half hour after that, so not the most opportune attempt. I did the cycles basically the way Venryx does and that is probably how I will do them from now on. When I did the cycles, towards the end random thoughts did jump in a little but I was still able to get back on track and concentrate enough to finish easily, so I assume I did enough cycles. Attempts: 10; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4 If you're good at SSILD, I'd like your opinion: When I wake up naturally (prior to getting up for the day) after my WBTB and SSILD, should I: A. Do another WBTB so I can do all the cycles again B. Do a few cycles as I fall back asleep C. Fall back asleep ASAP And does it vary based on how long it has been since my last awakening or cycles?

Day 36 Another lucid. (no false awakenings, because my awareness faded as the dream continued, and I got swept into the dream plot) This dream was about things that were kind of silly/embarrassing, so I'm not going to write it down, although it involved being on a cruise ship as part of a group. Attempts: 18, Lucids: 12, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2

Day 1 : AMAZIING! Awsome expierience will be using this.: So I went to bed fell asleep round 11:15. Woke up 2:20am. Got up went piss and drank a sip of water (only reason I did this is because I keep reading that people do this when they wake up.) So I tried the SSILD Went through 1 cycle then my baby brother started crying. Then I tried to ignore but my cat jumped on me. I waited til brother stopped. Then I attemp again. Did 2 cycles and my mind wondered and I caught myself and continued. Then I tried to fall asleep on my back, I usuallu sleep on my side, and layed there for 15 mins. Finally decided I wanna sleep so I turned over and did 2 more cycles. Suddly out of nowhere (and for some reason I dont remember well.) I started vibrating, and some noises started to happen. I remember one thing though, that I reminded myself to calm down. Next thing I know im in a dream. I know im dreaming instantly. I tried to walk around a bit as I qas facinated, but after 20 seconds it was over. I woke up and the time was 3:30am. So I must have slept for almost exactly 45 mins. I am so excited , I think its my excitement to try this method that made it happen last night. The vibrations were so awsome too! Felt neat. Anyways, thats my expierience. :3

Just came back to lucid dreaming after a very long break, I'll definitely be trying this test to get back into it. I have a week off from school so I think this is the perfect moment to figure out whether this is the right technique for me or not. First attempt will be tonight!

Day 12 and Day 13 Nothing again. :/ I have however looked over my dream journal and discovered two things: 1. SSILD only worked for me after a couple of natural awakenings, each time being awake enough (because I already had a lot of sleep) to do several cycles on each one. Most of these last 13 days, I simply didn't do enough cycles on each awakening. Even when I did 7 cycles after WBTB on the recent days, on the natural awakenings after that I fell asleep too soon I think. So when it says in the tutorial to "perform a few extra medium-paced SSILD cycles" upon a real awakening, that really should be done. 2. The last few days I did do a decent number of cycles once, I had an unusually aware dream about 1 hour 20 minutes after that, despite having a natural awakening in between the cycles awakening and the awakening from the dream. If I had been able to sleep more these nights and did a decent number of cycles on any awakening(s), I bet I would be likely to become lucid. So I still consider myself to be making progress through perfecting the technique for myself. Attempts: 12; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4

Days 1-2 Nothing notable. Got too distracted by my boyfriends heavy breathing on Day 1 (even woke him up to ask if he was having a nightmare), and I got kind of scared of the dark afterwards. Set the alarm to a later time on Day 2, but I seem to have fallen asleep before I could even get up for the WBTB. I do seem to have recovered my dream recall quite well! Attempts: 2 Lucids: 0 FA's: 0

Day 37, 38 No attempt. Attempts: 18, Lucids: 12, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Day 39 Another lucid and two more false awakenings. (and I missed the second one!) Here's the account: Lucid Dream 41 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Attempts: 19, Lucids: 13, OBE's: 1, FA's: 32, HI's: 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EDIT: This brings my success rate with this technique to just over 66%!!!

Day 14 Forgot to SSILD. I am still counting it as a day, but when looking at it and reviewing I will definitely note that I didn't SSILD last night. No LDs, just a bunch of vivid dreams. It is a very good encouragement to have lots of dreams. Recall helps with awareness and with attitude about lucid dreaming.

Day 15 Not that great of an attempt, no results. Day 16 Success! Another lucid, and this one came before 6 hours of sleep elapsed. I do know now that it can cause lucidity in less than 80 minutes, as I wrongly theorized previously. I think it is important that one not have awakenings too often while trying to use the technique. The lucid dream was low awareness and short but that has nothing to do with the cycles. I got lucid riding in a car at night, and I could sense the instability of the dream. It slowly faded to blackness and I did the spinning technique which brought back the same scene but then the car came out of a tunnel and disappeared which left me with just a visual sense of flying over a sandstone canyon with water in the bottom. This faded and I felt myself lying in bed this time. Attempts: 12; Lucids: 4; FAs: 6