Ssild Test 30 Days

Originally Posted by fogelbise: PennyRoyal, may I ask if you were having trouble falling back to sleep and started doing all three simultaneously to help that? That is my one challenge with the method it seems to wake me up a lot but I did have success with it last night and had my first two false awakenings which were completely lucid instantly due to feeling a floating sensation and had a wonderful lucid dream! I did also tweak it a little bit after 6 short cycles(must have been super tired) I was already starting to get the mini dreams and started playing with those images and next thing I remember I had the false awakenings. -------- The first week I had trouble falling asleep, although now I have trouble completing a full cycle because I'm falling asleep pretty fast. Yes, I came up with 3 parts simultaneously to help me fall asleep. It seems to help.

Originally Posted by LetoDK: Those 6 lucids are from SSILD? :-) How effective do you consider SSILD compared to any other methods you like? -------- Yea from SSILD. Last month I used MILD and had 5 total I think? I had those 6 the first week of april using SSILD. I'd say it's been effective for me

Originally Posted by PennyRoyal: Day 14: 1 Lucid, 1 FA Day 15: No success Score: 15 Nights, 7 Successful (9 Lucid, 1 FA) -------- I am glad that you are so diligent in your 30 day test and to see the success you have had! I have had some success with it but now only try it when I am off or on weekends but initially jumped straight into it almost immediately upon my return to lucid dreaming(but had trouble getting back to sleep). I have recently decided to go back to "the basics" of awareness(not so basic or easy) and recall and only try SSILD when I can. It obviously works well for all skill levels and it does seem like a great method to quickly get many beginners to their first LD as well but I imagine it takes additional effort to sustain continual LDs. Edit: Was your false awakening lucid? It is interesting that you had your first FA with this method right after noticing that you were not noticing FAs in the post just before that. I wonder if that is what happened with my FA, perhaps being more aware of that possibility and then recognizing it.

Originally Posted by fogelbise: I am glad that you are so diligent in your 30 day test and to see the success you have had! I have had some success with it but now only try it when I am off or on weekends but initially jumped straight into it almost immediately upon my return to lucid dreaming(but had trouble getting back to sleep). I have recently decided to go back to "the basics" of awareness(not so basic or easy) and recall and only try SSILD when I can. It obviously works well for all skill levels and it does seem like a great method to quickly get many beginners to their first LD as well but I imagine it takes additional effort to sustain continual LDs. Edit: Was your false awakening lucid? It is interesting that you had your first FA with this method right after noticing that you were not noticing FAs in the post just before that. I wonder if that is what happened with my FA, perhaps being more aware of that possibility and then recognizing it. -------- Thanks, browsing through this thread there aren't a ton of people who stuck to it for the entire 30 days so I wanted to leave a good testimonial so to speak. Nothing wrong with returning to basics, I actually chose SSILD this month because it seemed really.. well.. basic lol. I do the cycles during awakenings I have in the night, I wouldnt say I'm up longer than 10-15 minutes. If you're worried about losing sleep maybe go to bed a little early to make up for it. I had some trouble falling asleep the first week, I think it was just from the excitement of something new. I have to stay up longer now because I fall asleep in the middle of the first cycle sometimes. Hmm, I checked my DJ and it doesn't seem like I wrote about it.. For the life of me I can't remember it right now either. I didn't catch that I was in an FA though, I remember being disappointed that I didn't catch it to get lucid.

I had success with SSILD over the weekend again. I did the 6 short cycles normally and then did all 3 parts of the cycles at the same time as PennyRoyal mentioned and that seems to help me. Waited out vibrations and next thing I knew I was lucid in a dream with flying. I took off flying before stabilizing so I landed and stabilized somewhat, saw a deceased loved one pass by but couldn't find them again, then took off flying again. Trying to take off right away seemed to create a weird dream and may have shortened it but it was still a nice length. Edit: I read it suggested all the time, I got to try to get to sleep earlier but life currently won't let me. (Some) weekends are my sanctuary for now.

Hi everyone, this will be my first ever post on DreamViews! I've been visiting these forums for years but have only recently started to get serious about lucid dreaming again. The reason for this is that I've just started a PhD on lucid dreaming techniques! This SSILD technique has got me quite excited since many people seem to be having great success with it. I've decided to join in on the fun and try it myself as well. I probably won't make it to 30 attempts any time soon (because I'm experimenting with a range of techniques), but I plan to give it at least 10 attempts within a month or two. I've already tried it twice and I'll continue to post my results here. 2 Nights, 0 Successful, (0 Lucid, 0 FA) I'd be very curious to hear what people think about SSILD in comparison to other well-known techniques (especially MILD). More effective? Less so?

Thanks for the welcome PennyRoyal Originally Posted by PennyRoyal: How are you supposed to tell which ones are more effective if you keep changing it up on yourself? -------- For my PhD research I will be randomly allocating participants to one of three groups, which will all involve a different technique. I'm hoping to have somewhere between 50 and 100 participants who will all be naive to lucid dreaming practices. At this stage (before I run my first study) I'm just looking for ideas and also experimenting on myself. For experimenting with myself, I'm trying about 5 different technique and drug combinations. I'm cycling through these combinations (rather than sticking with just one) for two main reasons: 1. I'm interesting in teaching people who know nothing about LDs how to have them. By constantly changing my own technique, I'm hoping I can simulate these people a little more closely. 2. I don't want to confuse the effects of the drugs I'm using with the effects of greater familiarity with the technique. For example, if I did SSILD for 30 days I'd probably be better at it by the end than I was at the start. Then, if I did another 30 days using SSILD with Galantamine+Choline Bitartrate, and if my average success rate was higher than the 30 days with SSILD alone, it would be hard to tell if this was truly due to the drug or just due me being generally better at SSILD. That's very interesting that you find SSILD more effective than MILD! I'm very interested to see how this thread progresses!

Originally Posted by Denholm: Thanks for the welcome PennyRoyal -------- For my PhD research I will be randomly allocating participants to one of three groups, which will all involve a different technique. I'm hoping to have somewhere between 50 and 100 participants who will all be naive to lucid dreaming practices. At this stage (before I run my first study) I'm just looking for ideas and also experimenting on myself. For experimenting with myself, I'm trying about 5 different technique and drug combinations. I'm cycling through these combinations (rather than sticking with just one) for two main reasons: 1. I'm interesting in teaching people who know nothing about LDs how to have them. By constantly changing my own technique, I'm hoping I can simulate these people a little more closely. 2. I don't want to confuse the effects of the drugs I'm using with the effects of greater familiarity with the technique. For example, if I did SSILD for 30 days I'd probably be better at it by the end than I was at the start. Then, if I did another 30 days using SSILD with Galantamine+Choline Bitartrate, and if my average success rate was higher than the 30 days with SSILD alone, it would be hard to tell if this was truly due to the drug or just due me being generally better at SSILD. That's very interesting that you find SSILD more effective than MILD! I'm very interested to see how this thread progresses! -------- Sounds like you are just gonna be wasting your time. Consistency is more important am than any drug. You won't be LDing unless you get a random LD that way. (Random LD is an LD you get without a tech, normally comes when you stop LDing for a while, but also happens to people practicing incorrectly). Check out this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...important.html Supplements and techniques aren't on anyone's list

Thank you for the link - I am still looking for ideas and the thread you linked for me looks like a gold-mine of information. Originally Posted by BrandonBoss: Sounds like you are just gonna be wasting your time. Consistency is more important am than any drug. You won't be LDing unless you get a random LD that way [...] Supplements and techniques aren't on anyone's list -------- I appreciate what you're saying here, and I suspect that some people may think that I'm looking for unrealistic short-cuts. I don't want to go into *too* much depth justifying my research because that would be off topic. However, I would point out that for lucid dreaming to be a viable therapeutic tool within clinical psychology, it is important to make lucid dreaming as accessible to novices as possible. If someone presents with PTSD or some other issue, it isn't very practical to ask them to take up meditation AND do regular reality checks through the day AND spend half an hour (or more) every day on a dream journal AND maintain all these things (or some other combination) for weeks or (more likely) months. If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique.

Originally Posted by Denholm: I appreciate what you're saying here, and I suspect that some people may think that I'm looking for unrealistic short-cuts. I don't want to go into *too* much depth justifying my research because that would be off topic. However, I would point out that for lucid dreaming to be a viable therapeutic tool within clinical psychology, it is important to make lucid dreaming as accessible to novices as possible. If someone presents with PTSD or some other issue, it isn't very practical to ask them to take up meditation AND do regular reality checks through the day AND spend half an hour (or more) every day on a dream journal AND maintain all these things (or some other combination) for weeks or (more likely) months. -------- I guess you are going to find out, but I honestly think if you throw a technique like SSILD at a novice lucid dreamer it will most likely amount to nothing unless it's a random lucid. The purpose of the dream journal is to improve/retain dream -recall- which is CRUCIAL. You can have 10 lucids a week but it doesn't really make a bit of difference to you if you don't remember them when you wake up. My success rate is nearly 50%, but I spend a lot of time maintaining my recall and awareness/reality check exercices throughout the day. I had an explosion of success at the beginning of my SSILD trial, but there was a competition here on Dreamviews (recalled dreams, tasks while lucid, etc.. = points) during that time and I was very excited for it - which really set my intention. If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique. -------- It's very possible that you won't be able to. It really depends person to person. People that seek out Lucid dreaming in their personal time struggle to have their first lucid for weeks, sometimes months. It took me personally about 6 weeks, but there are members on Dreamviews that registered the same week as I did and still havn't had their first lucid (16 weeks).

Originally Posted by Denholm: Thank you for the link - I am still looking for ideas and the thread you linked for me looks like a gold-mine of information. I appreciate what you're saying here, and I suspect that some people may think that I'm looking for unrealistic short-cuts. I don't want to go into *too* much depth justifying my research because that would be off topic. However, I would point out that for lucid dreaming to be a viable therapeutic tool within clinical psychology, it is important to make lucid dreaming as accessible to novices as possible. If someone presents with PTSD or some other issue, it isn't very practical to ask them to take up meditation AND do regular reality checks through the day AND spend half an hour (or more) every day on a dream journal AND maintain all these things (or some other combination) for weeks or (more likely) months. If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique. -------- Time spent on LDing per day: 7 hours and 50 minutes of sleep, 10 minutes of meditating while laying in bed = 8 hours. I don't DJ, I don't do RCs (unless I feel like it, It raises my LDing rate slightly, but not enough to do unless I am on a slump, I do those every time I look at a watch or something. Good to change them up and pick something different every time). SSILD does seem to be pretty good. I don't think that it is all that cosmic iron says with the "Hypnosis" and all. I think it is a WBTB paired with awareness of your senses, a very good tech if you ask me. WBTB raises awareness, vividness, and recall. Anyways. 100 is probably the number you are looking for here. 100 LDs till you have the control, stability, and awareness to set up a situation that would fix a psychological disorder, I am gonna PM you a link that should give you a good idea of what type of psychological experiments one can run when LDing. BUT!!! PTSD normally involves night terrors. That is the #1 for making people lucid without a tech. IF you add a small tech to it, you can easily get lucid during nightmares. When you look through intro threads you will see "I learned how to wake myself up when in nightmares when I was a kid.", "I had constant nightmares when I was a kid and then I fought off the monster and realized I was dreaming.", and "I realized I was dreaming and the monster just disappeared." over and over and over again. During nightmares you normally know in the back of your mind that you are dreaming and if it gets too bad you normally wake yourself up. If it is PTSD you simply have to add any number of techs and it should be easy. Recurring dreams are the best dream sign in the world, have them visualize it and imagine themselves realizing they are dreaming, have them repeat as a mantra "When I see **** I will realize i am dreaming.", or any tech really and it should make them realize they are dreaming within a week. It is a gift/curse. I think you should check that out closely. I made that thread hoping people would leave gifts of knowledge on there, it has a lot of good things to review when looking through LDing. A lot of people with more LDs than me on there.

Originally Posted by Denholm: Thank you for the link - I am still looking for ideas and the thread you linked for me looks like a gold-mine of information. -------- I appreciate what you're saying here, and I suspect that some people may think that I'm looking for unrealistic short-cuts. I don't want to go into *too* much depth justifying my research because that would be off topic. However, I would point out that for lucid dreaming to be a viable therapeutic tool within clinical psychology, it is important to make lucid dreaming as accessible to novices as possible. If someone presents with PTSD or some other issue, it isn't very practical to ask them to take up meditation AND do regular reality checks through the day AND spend half an hour (or more) every day on a dream journal AND maintain all these things (or some other combination) for weeks or (more likely) months. If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique. -------- I can't agree with you more. The very goal of SSILD is to make lucid dream induction accessible to everyone. I found that combining supplements with SSILD can produce much higher success rate and more stable/wilder lucid dreams. It is a combo I'd recommend to anyone, novice or pro. Good luck with your research!

Ok, so I've read a couple of posts today that have mentioned SSILD, yet try as I have, I can't find any posts on what it actually entails or indeed even stands for. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I don't know, but you have peaked my interest. Just for the noobs out there -ME- would you please explain how I go about practising SSILD...? Thanks in advance. Nicho...!

Nicho, I tried to post a link to the most up-to-date SSILD tutorial but apparently I need to be a member for a few extra days before I can post links! I think you'd find it in a previous post in this thread (not sure exactly where though). Originally Posted by CosmicIron: I found that combining supplements with SSILD can produce much higher success rate and more stable/wilder lucid dreams. -------- CosmicIron, are there any supplements that you have found to be especially effective in combination with SSILD?

Tried SSILD again last night. No LD, but I did (again) find myself in a subsequent dream talking to dream characters about lucid dreaming. I also have a memory of thinking I was nearly in a dream after doing SSILD and trying to rub my hands to stabilize the dream. I *think* I ended up rubbing my hands in real life and assuming I wasn't asleep. I don't remember what happened next but I think I entered a non-lucid dream fairly quickly. I feel that the SSILD technique serves as a kind of "bridge" between waking consciousness and the dream world in a way that other non-WILD techniques do not seem to do. At least in my own (very limited) subjective experience so far. Very interesting technique! 3 Nights, 0 Successful (0 Lucid, 0 FA)