Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by enak101: How do you think this will work with polyphasic sleep? I have three ninety minute naps so WBTB doesn't really work but I don't know how quickly into it I go REM. Would be nice to have a zeo. -------- This works very well with naps. Some of the guys are high-school students on our forum and they even manage to OBE with SSILD while napping between classes on their desks!

Originally Posted by enak101: Might give it a try then, doesn't really take that long to cycle through it four times. 15 seconds each times 3 45 seconds per cycle 45 times 3 is 135 seconds so a bit over two minutes to do it. Get to attempt it three times a day heh. -------- If you do it that way then you will fail for sure. The 15-second is just a reference, which should not be carried out precisely. The key is to do the exercise in a "lazy" fashion. You WANT to forget time, you WANT to lose count, and you WANT to drag this as long as possible! You should NEVER count in your head!

Originally Posted by blubbdavid: I used this technique for three nights. The first two nights, nothing special happened. The third night I was to tired to make the exercises and only stuck with concentrating on the lights behind the eyelids. But soon I started to get a strange feeling, getting to a full SP (not just some weird feelings, a whole fully developed SP, I couldn't move) This then resulted to the second WILD I had in my life. -------- Congrats! Once you get a hang of it you will have many lucid moments ahead of you which I'm sure of! Please try to adhere to what resulted the success -- timing wise as well as how you executed the technique.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I missed my alarm going off, so instead of 5 hours and 30 minutes of sleeping, it ended up as 6 hours and 30 minutes, which I think was what made me fail. I did the technique as best as I could, focusing about not focusing. My mind wandered a lot, which was good. I think I just slept too much. Would SSILD work after about 3 hours of being awake? (in a nap..) -------- I'd say at least 5 hours of sleep is optimal. 3 is not sufficient .

Originally Posted by Sydney: I got lucid again last night I got back in bed after my WBTB (5 hours and 30 minutes), and did 5 cycles I think. My mind kept wandering which was good. But, after I got comfortable again, it took me FOREVER to fall back to sleep. Literally, I was probably laying there/tossing and turning after the cycles for about an hour. Even though it took me a while to fall asleep, I was still lucid anyway. It was a weird lucid though (lucid from the start of a dream), at one point I thought I came back into SP, but I think I was dreaming then. It was weird. Any tips on how I can fall asleep faster? I've always had troubles with falling asleep. -------- Did you feel tired after you wake up in the morning? If not, then you might be experiencing really convincing false awakenings. Please take a close look at the "Common causes for loss of sleep" section of my original post. That should explain most scenarios. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Sydney: Kinda creepy how real it felt then. -------- Yes it can be extremely realistic, even the way the bed sheet rubbing against your skin, the person snoring beside you, and etc. The rule of sum is, if you consistantly find yourself not being able to fall asleep, or you suddenly wake up after doing the exerice, you should perform an RC regardless how certain you are.

Although I'm not participating in the forums anymore, I'm still getting email notifications for replies to this thread. Seeing people's questions go unanswered like this somehow made me feel guilty . Therefore I've decided to come back to provide technical support until the warranty expires... LOL

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked. Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own? -------- You don't have to use alarm clock. In fact I never do since I always wake up multiple times during my sleep. For best result though you may want to get out of your bed and stay awake for a few minutes.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I know that happened to me too.. except I fell asleep on the first rep in the second cycle lol. Hate it when that happens. Didn't get lucid though. -------- I suggest you stay awake a bit longer before doing the exercise. You will also want to be a bit more "diligent" while cycling through the senses. For example, try a little harder to pick up things in the dark...

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?: Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better. : A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo er. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out. -------- While I can't explain exactly why it works, I am confident it is not placebo. On the China based forum, I've collected thousands of success stories, all happened within 8 months, and quite a few people managed to learn to induce LDs at will using SSILD with near 100% success rate. It does take time and practice to master though... so it is still not as easy and idiot-proof as I want it to be... hopefully we can further improve it.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: Been trying this since it came out... no results. -------- While you were doing this, were you experiencing the "trance"? The trance is the state when your mind begins to wander... you occasionally forget to continue the exercise, and when your thoughts come back you no longer remember how many cycles you have done or at what step you become lost. If you are not experiencing this then you are not doing the exercise correctly. Another possibility is lack of mental effort... I need to know more details about how you did your exercise in order to help you analyze.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: Still no results. Leaning towards placebo. -------- Please give me more details on how you did it so I can help. Generally though, there are three major categories for failure: 1. Can't fall asleep after the exercise. This is due to too much mental effort and eagerness to get result during the exercise (essentially treating it as a WILD method) 2. Fall asleep too quickly. This is the opposite of the above problem. In this case you need to focus more during the cycles and spending extra time to stay awake before going back to bed may also help. 3. Not entering the "trance". The trance is the state when your mind wanders and you forget to do the exercise occasionally.

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer: I did everything perfect and was undisturbed but I still didn't get lucid Dx. I told myself to wake up after 5 hours, woke up at some time, used bathroom, got water, did 5 cycles, fell asleep in good time, had normal dream . Tonight I will try not getting up at all and see if it goes better then. -------- Did you have trouble falling asleep afterward?

Originally Posted by ch00b: Just wondering, do we repear each step after doing it or repeat the entire process when we are done? Thanks. -------- Exactly like what @Taffy said. Sometimes you may feel that the steps overlap -- for example, sighting and hearing going at the same time. That is fine as long as you don't deliberately attempt that.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Wasn't really able to attempt SSILD because I was away But the other night (when I woke up in the morning) I just decided to do SSILD because I missed my chance in the middle of the night. So I did and after about 3 cycles I felt strangely relaxed. Like really, really relaxed. My dad woke me up though. @CosmicIron: Yay! Oh and do we need to stay still the whole time we're doing the cycles? I hate it because ever since I've stopped attempting WILDs I keep moving about every 20 seconds, repositioning my arm, leg, etc. -------- Thanks Sydney it is important to feel relaxed and comfortable during the exercise; therefore if staying still makes you uncomfortable then you should definitely move to find a better position. In fact if you feel even slight uncomfort it is probably a sign that indicates you are not doing the exercise correctly. Also, do NOT deliberately try to stay motionless. Doing so will only make you tense and lose sleep. Find the most comfortable position as long as you don't fall asleep right away.

Originally Posted by DinoSawr: I have a question before I attempt this tonight: If you fall asleep while doing the cycles after having entered the trance a few times, is this okay too? -------- Yes it's perfectly fine! Just make sure you remind yourself to do an RC upon waking up again.

Originally Posted by daban: Since he hasn't answered I'm going to go ahead and try based on how he've replied before: The point IS to loose track of yourself. You're suppose to wander away and forget what your doing upon entering the trance after some cycles. Just hope you made atleast 2-3 cycles before you fall asleep. -------- Couldn't have said it better myself

Originally Posted by Sydney: Went to bed late last night, so I only got about an hour and 45 minutes worth of actual sleeping after my WBTB. I managed to do only one rep in one cycle and fell asleep. It was weird though. The next dream I had was pretty vivid, and I was walking around wondering, "Could this be a dream, what if this was a dream?" Never got lucid though. -------- LOL. You were THAT close! I guess if you had managed one more cycle you probably would have succeeded . It is quite common to have spontaneous LDs as well as suspicions of realities after doing the exercise. Next time remind yourself to do RCs more often, and please try at least more than one cycles, LOL.

Originally Posted by Sea07: Hey welcome back CosmicIron. Do you have any theories on why me and DannyY have been experiencing unusual dreams from this? I've received one nightmare and two dreams in which I was paralyzed. I never get either of those so close together and it intrigues me. Thanks. -------- One common phenomenon often experienced after the exercise is sudden occurance of OBE and SP within a dream. That is, while you are dreaming you suddenly find yourself lying there, either on bed or floor, experiencing an SP or phase entrance of an OBE. This sometimes happen without any warning or transition to the waking state. Since nightmares are common when associated with SPs, my guess is that you may be experiencing this kind of sudden spontaneous SPs within a dream.

Originally Posted by Sydney: When doing SSILD last night, once again, I felt a strangely relaxing sensation. Like I didn't want to move. Ever. I managed to do about 4 cycles before I fell asleep. It was interesting though; I took a lot more time than I thought I did (20-30 seconds) on each rep. After about the second cycle I heard this strange "patter" noise in my ears. It was far away, and I could barely hear it, but it was there. No lucids, though. Maybe I just can't remember them because of my suddenly failing recall? -------- When you do notice distinct sensations, such as seeing colors or hearing things, you should pause the exercise and focus on mentally increasing the sensations.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Still unable to get some success! It seems like I'm doing the technique okay. For all the people that have succeeded; for how many hours did you sleep before getting up for WBTB? -------- Sydney, please provide a detailed description on your routine so I can help you diagnose.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Haha sorry CosmicIron. It goes something like this: I wake up for my WBTB after sleeping for about 5 hours and 30 minutes. I get up, use the restroom, and then get back in bed. All of this happens in about 2 minutes. I do the technique, but it seems like I take 25 - 35 seconds on each rep (sight, hear, feel) because my mind keeps wandering and I need to start over, or I'm not real sure how long it has been on that rep. Eventually I do about 3 - 4 cycles and then try to fall asleep. And sometimes I find myself doing the same rep over and over again. That's pretty much how it goes every night. -------- It appears to me that you may need to stay awake a bit longer. Try staying awake for 10 minutes next time so at least the first couple of repetitions can be done without interruption. After that you can allow your mind to wander and enter the trance.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I'm still not getting any success. Hmmm. I know the goal is to not be focused, but I think that is what's getting me. My mind seems to wander way too much, music is playing in my head, etc. The first time I ever tried SSILD, I was alert and ready to try it, I was excited. I guess maybe that's my problem? I'll read over my first post and the original thread post and see if that helps. -------- I'm sorry to hear that Sydney, and I admire your persistance! Maybe you should try to be more focused on the sensations. At least in the first few cycles, pay close attention to the various sensations -- Do you see things in the dark? Do you hear buzzing sound and can you mentally raise the volume? Do you feel tinglings beneath your skin? Can you wiggle your fingers and toes without using your muscles? and so on...

Originally Posted by Sydney: Thanks. I just know that this technique has a ton of potential; so I'm not giving up on it just yet. Yeah, when I usually start out on the first cycle my mind has already wandered to some extent, so it distracts me a lot, eventually ending up that I spend too much time on one cycle. But there's always another night. -------- Sounds like you might be too sleepy when doing the exercise. Usually people have the opposite problem, LOL. Try going to bed earlier, perferrablly before 11.

Originally Posted by Rubens: I had my 3rd LD this morning *O* I went to bed about 1:00 am anddid the SSILD before sleeping, cause it makes me sleep faster, usually I take more time thinking about random things. I woke up about 6:00 am after a dream, tried to perform SSILD but slept, I think I slept 3 times trying to make a SSILD :O About 9:00 o'clock I became lucid in a FA with no aparent reason, I didn't knew it was a FA, but I was lucid enough to lie on my bed and try a WILD (yes, during the FA :x). In few seconds I was in SP and going inside a dream. I'll put a better description of the dream in my DJ. SSILD ROCKS ! I have to add that I'm praticing ADA, RCs during the day, and I always do the MILD too -------- SSILD seems particularly good at producing FAs, and sometimes super-realistic FAs. Thus it is a good idea to always do an RC or some form of WILD upon waking up... just like what you did