Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Has anyone checked out the Chinese forum the guy's talking about to see if the success stories are actually genuine? Anyone could come on this forum and claim they've developed a great technique on a forum in a language that nobody on the forum actually speaks. -------- If you want you can check out this URL which collects the first-time success cases happened in the last 8 months or so (actually much less because the Zchinese search engine omits several months of data, ridiculously). There are about 250 cases in that thread. If we count the overall success cases then the number can go easily beyond thousands. In fact, one of my students recorded over 200 LDs in less than 8 months http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1481417265

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: This technique doesn't seem to work for me at all. Is it possible that I need to keep using the technique and it works in the long term? Or if I haven't had success after a week does it mean it will not work at all? -------- Maybe if you can provide a detailed description on how you did the exercise I can help you diagnose

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: I'm a diligent student - I'm sure I'm doing it properly as prescribed by you in your initial tutorial and in subsequent posts. I've also tweaked my approaches slightly; all of those tweaks I've experimented with have been described by you at some point in this thread. Is it time to give up or should I keep trying? -------- I won't be able to answer your question until I know what exactly went wrong with your exercise. I understand that you are following it diligently, but you have to understand that despite the numerous efforts spent on creating the SSILD technique (as well as everything else out there), lucid dreaming is still more art than science...

Originally Posted by Sydney: I didn't get lucid but I just wanted to share what I did if you have any feedback CosmicIron. ^_^ I woke up for WBTB naturally after about 5 hours. I then went to the restroom and got back in bed. I lay still on my back and did about 4 cycles. Then I rolled over onto my right side (it was hazy at this part.. I can't remember if I did more cycles while I was on my side or not). I then fell asleep after a while. Even though I think I do okay, I still don't get lucid. Do you think I could have "woken up" into an FA? Because I remember waking up once or twice before my alarm went off to wake up in the morning. -------- Sydney, I'm sorry it's still not working for you How long does it take for you to finish each cycle? Were you doing each step quickly? Maybe 15-20 seconds are not enough. I suggest you try to extend the length of each step. For example, while looking behind the eyelids, try to thoroughly examine the darkness and do not move on to the next step until you pick up something out of the dark no matter how trivial. Same goes for listening -- do not move on to next until you can hear something inside your head... Basically just forget about the 10-20 seconds requirement. Do this for the first 4 cycles then ease up and allow yourself to drift into the trance with a couple of more relaxed cycles and then go to sleep.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Hmm, that didn't work either. Maybe I just need to try it some more Will again tonight. P.S.: When focusing on my body, what should I be "expecting" to feel? Also I think I know what may be the problem. I never know when I'm in the trance. It doesn't feel like I'm in it when I stop doing the cycles and fall asleep. -------- Any out-of-normal sensations: heaviness, movement, numbness, itch, tingling, and etc. You can also actively imagine movement of certain body parts, for example, wiggling of fingers and toes, slow spinning of stomach, head sinking into pillow, and so on. The reason I didn't include these in the technique is this sort of active techniques can sometimes cause people to lose sleep. However, in your case it seems you can fall asleep pretty quickly so maybe you can give it a shot.

Originally Posted by Rubens: I didn't get any more LDs after that 2 with this technique :/ But I think I was lazy this last days, I will try it better tonight. I tried last night but made only 2 or 3 cycles before falling asleep and something crazy happened. I flew from my bed and fell in the ground near my bed. I heard my sister coming and asking me what happened, then I woke up again in my bed :O I couldn't recognize that it was a FA :/ But it was kinda funny xD -------- That was both awsome and hilarious.

Originally Posted by Sea07: Good point, I am usually to tired to WBTB so CosmicIron, would it hurt to do this as we're falling asleep? I fall asleep using Isochronic tones so relaxing is no problem. -------- That wouldn't be very effective. I suggest instead of a full-blown WBTB, just wake up after 5 hours of sleep, go to bathroom, then immediately go back to bed to do the exercise.

Originally Posted by Sydney: You could try, "I will be aware when I wake up." Since you wake up at different times during the night and you don't realize it. Hope that helps Oh and CosmicIron, if I wanted to combine SSILD with WILD in one night, could I wake up at say, after 4 hours and 30 minutes, and then do SSILD? Then wake up later to do WBTB and WILD? Do you think doing SSILD that early would work? It's just a thought. -------- Based on the feedback I've seen from many users, the answer is yes.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: It seems like this technique works at first... But then stops working. Sydney is a perfect example. I really feel like you guys should spend time elsewhere on proven techniques. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, just my two cents. -------- It has continued to work for me, and hundreds maybe thousands of other people. Of course, as with every other techniques, this is not meant to be a recipe for guaranteed success, especially that many people may not even be doing it correctly.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I've been attempting this for around 2 months or so, with only 2 successes. But, I have faith in this technique since it brought so many others continuing success. I could just be doing it wrong, or not having enough will to do it. But I still have faith in SSILD. I will be attempting SSILD earlier on in the night, maybe after four hours or so, and then waking up for a WBTB an hour and a half later, to WILD. So I still have SSILD, but also am working on my WILD attempts as well. I will continue attempting for as long as I can until I know that it doesn't work for me. -------- Thank you for having faith One thing that occurs to me -- could it be that you were missing on the false awakenings? With SSILD it is very easy to produce super-realistic false awakenings. Therefore, I suggest you do an RC every time you wake up after doing SSILD, no matter how certain you think you are awake! BTW, are you still falling asleep quickly in middle of the exercise?

Originally Posted by Sydney: Your welcome. You know, now that I think about it, I may have missed some very realistic false awakenings. I usually do an RC after every time I wake up, but sometimes I do forget! I've been kinda slacking on attempting SSILD this week - was so tired during the week I never woke up mostly. :/ Well mostly, I wake up for WBTB, do SSILD, fall asleep - and then before I know it, my alarm shocks me awake for the morning. Do you think my recall could have something to do with it? I sometimes just forget about SSILD while doing it, making my mind wander and then I fall asleep. In other cases, I can't fall asleep afterwards. -------- You need to have more rest. Attempting LDs without being fully rested often will yield minimal result... regardless of the technique. I suggest you take a break. Go to bed earlier, and forget about any exercise. Do this for a couple of days then resume the exercise. Also you might want to delay your WBTB... maybe to 6 hours.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I've been waking up after 6 hours, but I'm falling asleep too quickly when I do SSILD. It's weird, because when I used to wake up after 5 hours of sleep to do SSILD, I was pretty awake through the whole thing, and had trouble getting back to sleep. But now since I'm waking up after 6 hours, I can barely stay awake for at least one cycle! It's like it's reversed. I'll see what I can do tonight. -------- That indeed is weird... how long do you stay awake before attempting the exercise? Also, while doing the exercise you may want to use a position that's different from your normal one.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: I would love to know where you found THOUSANDS of participants. I found the tutorial on ld4all, I promise you that they don't have thousands of active members. If you are going to lie, at least make it believable. -------- That, sir, is both nasty and ignorant. If you read my original post, it is clearly stated that the method was developed and tested on the Chinese forum (Baidu Tieba to be clear) which has over 60,000 active participants. LD4all is where I first posted the English version of the technique, and that was nearly a year since the technique was developed and deployed.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Last night, the same thing happened when I did a WBTB. Only, I almost fully did one cycle lol When I laid down back in bed, it like, hurt to focus on my eyes. Like my eyes were so tired they just wanted to "drop and lay there". It was like the focus was making me even more tired, wanting to stop and go to sleep. I knew I didn't have a lot of time to dream, like an hour, but that didn't stop me. I think I woke up after SSILD, with 30 minutes left. I was determined to fall back to sleep. So I kinda did, but something happened and I came back to focus. My ears started ringing (Well, it sounded like blood rushing to my ears only 10x intensified) for about a minute or so. Afterwards, I waited, but nothing else happened. So I moved. It didn't even feel like I was in SP at all. No FA either. What could that have been? -------- You nearly succeeded. Next time when that happens just stay calm and do a nose pinching RC. Chances are you will find yourself in a dream.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Okay I will try to stay calm next time too. I remember when hearing it, I was like, "Oh gosh. Oh gosh, oh gosh!" So what you're saying is to just wait, right? I wasn't in SP I don't think, so I don't know what that was. -------- It's not SP. It's an FA. Best way to deal with it is to do an RC and get up, or you can try to mentally increase the intensity of the sound/image. The later method may not work if you get too excited

Originally Posted by Sydney: Oh really? So maybe I just missed it? Because pretty much right after it happened, I got up and RCed; telling me that I was awake. -------- This happens sometime. As you get excited, you shift from an FA to reality in a seamless fashion. Anyway, you were really close! Good luck!

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: I think your being a little dramatic "nasty". Also i looked up that site and it doesnt seem to exist. Well the site does exist, but doesnt seem to involve lucid dreaming. Could you provide a link to one of your articles there? I would think that with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo. You need to not get so defensive over something that a person on the internet said. Especially when it wasnt that bad. -------- Then I think your being a little dramatic too with your accusation of me "lying". The site "tieba" is a huge platform for many smaller sub-forums. In order to go to the lucid dreaming site you need to enter the word "Lucid Dream" (in Chinese) in their search window. If you can read Chinese you are welcome to take a look at this link: Ì«Ðþ³É¹¦°¸ÀýÊÕ¼¯_ÓîÖæÖ®Ìú°É_°Ù¶ÈÌù°É. This is where I collected more than 200 unique success stories of using SSILD, and it is only a small subset of the actual cases. I do not understand why you said "with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo". A placebo that is proven to work among a large number of people, over a long period of time, again and again? I'm sorry, do we understand the word "placebo" THAT differently?

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: Oh my god. Either the people on that forum are complete babbling idiots or google translate just sucks. Either way i still dont believe that this is a solid technique. . -------- You are free to believe or not believe in something. However, calling people idiots like that will only discredit you. You asked for evidence so I gave that to you -- more than 200 of them, collected in only a few months; yet again you accuse me of being untruthful without providing any explanation. To me, that IS "nasty".

Originally Posted by shaun95: I've given this method a go using wbtb the last 3 nights with no success :'( , although i had a FA yesterday but im not sure if that has anything to do with this method. One question , I wear a face mask while sleeping so the sunlight doesn't wake me up in the morning , will that affect this method at all or is it ok to keep wearing it? -------- Some people on our forum also use sleep mask and ear plugs, and they seem to work fine. As for FA I can't say for sure if it is caused by SSILD, but the SSILD technique indeed seems very good at generating them, sometimes super realistic ones. Thus, whenever you wake up from doing SSILD you should remember to do an RC. BTW, did you have trouble sleep after doing the exercise, or you fell asleep quickly in middle of it?

Originally Posted by Sydney: So last night I got the same result - I woke up after about an hour (after WBTB) and decided to fall asleep again so that I would get something out of SSILD. I did, and then I woke up in what felt like this weird feeling. I can't remember exactly the feeling, but I felt kinda heavy, and maybe I felt small vibrations. Not sure though. This lasted about 10 seconds. I didn't want to move because I thought it was real SP, and I could have waited for a DEILD! But just like yesterday night, after the 10 seconds or so, it stopped. I'm not sure if I "fell asleep" or "woke up", but I"m pretty sure it was the latter. It was probably an FA. It seems like I'm getting closer! I just gotta realize those tricky FAs. -------- One way to counter this kind of situation is to always do another round of SSILD. If you are in an FA, chances are those sensations -- visuals, sounds, and body movements will become pronounced almost immediately.

Originally Posted by shaun95: I find it hard to concentrate on the 3 steps and yes , I find it a little bit difficult to fall back to sleep after attempting SSILD. Any tips? -------- Actually, finding it hard to concentrate is THE PREFERRED WAY to do the exercise. You should allow your mind to drift. Trying to concentrate will only keep you awake, and cause loss of sleeps afterward.

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: Woo! Great success. I followed CosmicIron's advice to let my mind drift (usually I killed whatever direction my mind was going) and did the technique. It took me awhile to go to sleep. I'm talking about at least a half hour, but when it happened I didn't notice because my dream started with me lying in bed trying to sleep and giving up. I go to walk my dog and despite it supposedly being 7AM it looks more like 8AM. I notice this and do a reality check and bam, I realize I'm dreaming! I have a question though. Personally, I felt like I was in control but there is thing that happened twice where its like it randomly cuts and that makes me question. Let me explain. I was walking with this girl and we were just wandering around my neighborhood and the next second we were wandering around a Wal-Mart. I was still lucid at that moment, but how could that happen if I was fully lucid and in control? I didn't even doubt why all of a sudden I'm in Wal-Mart. -------- Congratulations! Your experience is a perfect showcase of the kind of super-realistic FAs generated by SSILD As for the shift of environment, it is quite common. Even in LDs we are normally not all that "lucid". We have the notion of dreaming and some degree of self-awareness, but it does not necessarily mean we are as alert and attentive as in waking life. There are many techniques to help improve lucidity and control though.

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: What are some because I've had quite a few LD's using this technique but probably only 2-3 where I'v felt I was truly in control of myself. -------- Rest assured it has nothing to do with which technique you use. Upon becoming lucid, I'd suggest you immediately do some deepening techniques which will help stabilize the dream as well as increasing lucidity. Robert Waggoner has an excellent article on this.

Originally Posted by Rubens: Can you give us a link to this article ? CosmicIron, there is a small Brazilian Lucid Dreaming forum and they seem to don't know about this technique around here, I wanted to ask you if I could translate it to portuguese and publish on this forum ? Is there any name to whom I have to give the credits ? Or I just mention you as "a member known as CosmicIron from DV forum" ? -------- The link is here: The Lucid Dream Exchange Please feel free to translate (thank you!) the SSILD article. The article was first posted on LD4all, and I used the ID "cosmic.iron".

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: This technique doesn't seem to be producing good consistent results for anyone. Sure some people have gotten an LD or two, but after that everyone seems to have trouble with this technique. -------- That is simply not true. By speaking for "everyone", I assume you have collected some statistical data on a pretty large sample base, or is it just an "impression"? As with ANY technique, to make it work consistently requires one to keep performing the technique in correct manner with some personal adjustments. As I've repeatedly said, SSILD is not a technique that's developed solely based on individual experience. It was the result of collaborative efforts of many people. Thus, it never lacked clearly documented testimonials since the very beginning. There are hundreds of first-time success stories, thousands of repeated success, and dozens of people who managed to use the technique to induce LDs/OBEs at will. All of these mentioned can be found online, albeit mostly in Chinese. Compared to some of the well-known techniques such as MILD, SSILD is indeed in its infancy, but it does work and there are statistics backing it up. If it once worked for you but stopped working, I suggest you re-visit the article and read it more carefully. You should also compare what you are doing now with the times it worked. Of course, you are free to choose the technique that works best for you, and in no way I'm suggesting SSILD is the best solution for everyone.

Originally Posted by melanieb: Alright boys, it's just a misunderstanding. Emotion is nearly impossible to read in a text-only post. So, I also looked over that Chinese forum. Google Translate produces some fascinating results. It's amazing how metaphors don't translate well from one language to another. Still, I could understand a lot from context, and their thread is just like ours. Some success stories, some half-success stories, and some failures. Apparently people dream the same all over the world, no surprise to anyone here. I did notice there are only 232 posts in that thread, and even with a 50% success rate that wouldn't equal 'hundreds' of cases. Who cares?! CosmicIron, we appreciate your sharing this idea with this forum. Many people will find it beneficial. For those that don't, no worries. We have a number of other methods in the WIKI and all over the forum. Nearly all of them are some variation of another method. What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.: - No method guarantees success with every person. - Not every person will lucid dream. We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas. -------- Thank you melaniebe for the clarification, which is sincere and with good intention, unlike some other previous posts. As for the thread let me clarify a little. The url points to a single thread which I started some time ago to collect first-time only success stories which are scattered all over the forum. The tieba platform is technically limited, thus it's search result only includes data from the first three months and the most recent three months. The rest of the data are simply omitted. As a result, by the time I decided to start that thread much of the information was already impossible to find. After collecting a couple of hundred cases we just gave up and stopped updating the thread diligently. As for repeated successes with SSILD we see them all over the place in the forum. In fact, one of the students alone recorded over 300 LDs in the past few months using Ssild. Another thing worth mention is that the thread is based on my personal tieba forum which has fewer than 2,000 members. These people followed me from the much larger lucid dream forum which now has over 70,000 members. A lot of information is deeply burried in that forum as well.

Originally Posted by Sydney: A random question; but CosmicIron, do you know if waking up naturally or by alarm would be better for SSILD? (I know we've probably discussed this earlier on in the thread, but I guess I'm just refreshing my memory xD) It's weird. When I wake up by alarm in the middle of the night I remain drowsy until I get back in bed, where I fall asleep when I hit the pillow. Without alarm, I'm able to actually walk around in some awareness and actually focus on something. If naturally is the way to go, I'm having trouble waking up at a specific time. Do you think mantras would help in this case? Although, I find it hard for me to fall asleep at the beginning of the night with mantras, but that's just me. Thanks. -------- Usually when we wake up during REM we feel less drowsy. As for SSILD, if you find yourself having difficulty to complete the first couple of cycles then you are too tired to make it work. You would be better of going to sleep and do the exercise when you wake up again. I find no difference between using alarm and waking up naturally though.