Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by WDr: Just woke up, it didn't work didn't manage to consentrate and relax at the same time, and after I was done with the repetitions, I couldn't sleep... Oh well, I'm trying again tomorrow -------- You don't want to "concentrate" -- you will have hard time to fall asleep if you do that. The keys to make this technique work are: 1. Get plenty of sleep and wake yourself up sufficiently but not overly... I recommend 5 minutes for starter. 2. Do not concentrate on the effects/sensations. This is especially true with the first couple of cycles. As you enter the later cycles, some sensations may occur, but you should not pay too much attention to them unless they become very pronounced, in which case you should cease cycling and focus on increasing the sensation mentally in order to achieve a WILD. 3. Always remind yourself to do an RC upon awakening after doing the exercise no matter how certain you are. This technique is very good at producing extremely vivid FAs.

Originally Posted by WDr: Tried again this night, and it didn't go so well after about 2 repetitions, my thoughts started wandering, and I didn't feel like I got any proper inputs from my eyes, ears and rest-of-body... Then I just fell asleep, and woke up many times... EDIT: Hmm... I may have got some FAs... When I think about it, I dreamed that I talked to a person about my dreams that I had that night. Don't remember if it was before of after I did the SSILD.. -------- It is okay to let the thoughts wander. That is the desired effect! You don't want to seek "proper inputs" from the sensory, just do the steps regardless of whether you experience any sensations. If you focus too much on the sensations you will lose sleep, besides, the first 2 cycles normally do not produce any sensations anyway. Also make sure you do the full 4 cycles. Judging form your feedback, you were in and out of FAs numerous times Next time please remember to do RCs immediately after waking up, no matter how sure you are.

Originally Posted by DaveTheJoker: Hey CosmicIron, I have been trying SSILD for a few nights. I am having trouble finding the "happy medium" between being too tired and not being sleepy. Also, even when I do find the right amount of tired-ness, it just doesn't seem to do anything. I don't know what I am doing wrong here. SSILD worked for me the first time I tried it, now I can't get it to do anything. -------- Hi Dave, You don't need to try deliberately to fall asleep. Doing that will have adverse effect. Treat the cycles as hypnosis (in fact it is), and allow that to bring you into the "trance". Many people, myself included, have discovered that the cycles can easily make us feel sleepy even when we were wide awake. That is, if you do them correctly. Too many people try to use the cycles as way to bring out HIs, vibrations, and etc., and while they occasionally may succeed, they are doing it wrong. Usually during the first couple of cycles, we are wide awake, and our mind haven't quieted down yet. As a result it is very unlikely we will feel anything at this stage, and if you force it, you will end up becoming anxious! Therefore, you should simply do the first couple of cycles as it is, without any attempt. Just do it for the sake of doing it, allow it help you to relax. As you become more relaxed, you will feel your mind quieting down, and you may begin to "notice" some sensations. For example, the darkness behind your closed eyelids may not be so dark. You may notice some lights, movements, etc. As you listen, you may notice that the outside environment noise become less distracting, and instead you start to hear the ringing noise inside your head more clearly. When you notice these sensations, don't get excited, and don't "focus" on them (unless suddenly they become very obvious). Just quietly observe them without any intent. Doing so will help you get into the trance very quickly. Another thing you want to keep in mind is that SSILD is very good at producing FAs; therefore you need to develop the habit of doing RCs every time you wake up after the exercise. When you find yourself not being able to fall asleep, or repeatedly waking up, you should definitely do an RC since these are signs of FAs produced by SSILD. If you post more detailed description on how you performed the technique I might be able to help you more. SSILD works! It has been a year since it was developed and we have seen huge successes, so even the slightest doubts have diminished. If it doesn't work for you, then it's something in your routine that needs some fixing. I'm here to help.

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: Hi, I just registered to try and get some help with this technique. So far, I've had no real success with it and I've done it for about a week. I start using it, and it works for a bit. I'll start seeing mental images, hearing sounds, etc. About the time I start getting anything close to a dream, I'll completely forget I was ever doing the techniques, fall asleep, which I thought was the idea...and nothing happens. The closest thing I've gotten to lucidity was a dream about me closing my window because it was cold when it was in fact cold because I left the window open. What am I doing wrong? I'm not really concentrating on anything, I'm doing WBTB when I have a chance, but it doesn't work during the night or during daytime naps. I do leave a fan on in my room because I find it easier to fall asleep with white noise in the background. Is this okay, or should I learn to fall asleep without it? It's also not always completely dark when I go to sleep as my curtains don't block a lot of light. -------- Please provide me with the following information: 1. What time did you go to sleep? 2. What time did you get up? 3. How long did you stay awake? 4. How many cycles did you perform before drifting to sleep? 5. How long did it take you to fall back sleep? 6. Roughly how long did you perform each step (see, hear, and feel)?

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: 1. ~9 PM (Yeah, I know, I go to bed early.) 2. Set my alarm for 3 AM 3. Just long enough to use the restroom. 4. Maybe two or three. 5. Only a few minutes. The first time I did this, I lost sleep because I was concentrating too hard. 6. I performed them as long as it felt "right." Whatever felt like 15 seconds, I did. Could've been longer or shorter, I suppose, I wasn't paying attention. -------- Based on your feedback, I think the cause is insufficient effort. Don't despair, this is better than the other way around actually My suggestions: 1. Extend your wake time, say, 5-10 minutes 2. Make sure you do the full four cycles. Rule of thumb is That after your mind begins to wander you should do at least 2 complete cycles. In your case that would be 4 or 5 cycles. 3. The last cycle must be performed more diligently. 4. The "feel right" approach is perfect. No need to change anything I guess for now. Let's do this and see what happens. Keep me posted so we can adjust it to make it work for you. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: Haven't had a chance to try it yet, will try tonight. Is a fan okay in the background? I find it makes it easier to sleep. -------- It is okay as long as it doesn't interfere. Typically though, the quieter the room is, the better it is. As you go through the cycles, your attention shifts from the external senses to the internal ones. For example, the external sounds may become quieter, while the noises in your head becomes more obvious. When this happens you know you are getting deeper into the "state". If there is too much external noise, then you may not be able to shift your focus away.

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: I don't get it. The last few times I've tried, I simply haven't been able to do it. My mind wanders restlessly from topic to topic, and won't do the technique for very long. I can do maybe 1 1/2 cycles before my mind begins to wander, but I'm still wide awake. What can I do? Is it just my mind is all screwed up? (That wouldn't surprise me, honestly. I do have severe depression. Maybe that has something to do with it.) -------- No, I don't think your mind is any more screwed up than the rest of us, LOL. To counter your problem, I suggest the following: 1. Get more sleep. Go to bed earlier than usual, and do not wake up until you have at least a good five-hour sleep. 2. Read this post: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/theory...-ssild-135234/ Cheers

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: 1. I always sleep 6 hours before waking up and doing stuff for a few minutes. I was told this is ideal for this sort of thing. 2. Maybe what I took away from that is that I'm looking for results too hard. Last time I tried this, I was wearing earplugs because it was an afternoon nap and people were milling about and there were sounds all over the place. I noticed I paid a lot of attention to my breathing. Is that okay? It's just extremely frustrating. I'm using this technique to try and produce OBEs. I tried Raduga's methods for over a year with almost no success, and I've been doing this for a few weeks now and I haven't had any success. I find I do a bunch of cycles, then fall asleep and nothing happens. -------- You summed it correctly -- you are trying too hard. You shouldn't pay attention to ANYTHING! Stay as comfortable as possible, allow your mind to wander. If you wake up without success, don't despair, just keep doing more cycles till you fall asleep. Repeat this and you will have success.

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: Still nothing. Last night I noticed that when I'd hear a sound or see something very briefly, it would catch my attention, then disappear shortly afterwards. What is this a sign of? -------- Those are HIs caused by the exercise and when that happens you are already extremely close to stepping into the dream consciously! Unfortunately you got excited and that causes it to go away. Next time you see this you should resume a passive observer role, and at the same time do not think rationally. Allow the HIs to manifest, and they will turn into full blown dreams automatically.

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: I tried the following steps, and I can say I'm not really disappointed. I went to sleep at ten, woke up at two and even though I was VERY tired I tried my best with the cycles. I think I did four of them before I felt sluggish, and not really able to concentrate on anything but sleep anymore. So I went to bed, and instantly it felt like I was falling through my bed, or getting extremely light. I felt as if I might have an OBE, due to the way my body felt. It was the strangest feeling I've ever felt, then I fell asleep. I don't believe I had a lucid dream, because I can't remember it to well. And if I did have one, I'm sure I would remember it right? But it was weird once again, my dream self was having lucid dreams inside my dream! (dreamception?) And my dream self was bragging about it in the dream about how the technique worked. It was so strange, but I am definitely not disappointed even if I didn't have the lucid dream! I'll be trying this again tonight, thanks! -------- It is quite common... basically it's an LD which is followed by a False Awakening, or an LD that is launched from an FA. Either way, it is a lucid dream by most accepted standards. When you had the weird falling sensations though, you were extremely close to having a genuine OBE while being full conscious. Next time when this happens just relax and go with the flow.

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: Well, last night it didn't work at all. I didn't even have any weird feelings when going back to sleep, so I think I might know what the problem was. How conscious/awake do I need to be for the exercises to do what they need to do? Because I was barely aware or conscious when I did them last night, I barely knew what I was doing except for the senses practicing. Right when I was done, I was sound back to sleep within a minute. -------- If you find it hard to complete the first two cycles then you are simply too tired to make it work. On the other hand, if your mind does not drift after four cycles then you are too awake.

Originally Posted by Nivv: So, to clarify, if I feel like I am not falling asleep after 5 cycles (which is how it usually is for me), should I continue with the cycles? Also, I tend to feel uncomfortable at the end of the 5 cycles and have to roll over, meaning I basically don't get to sleep for a long while. EDIT: By the way many thanks for always helping and replying on your threads here and on LD4all! -------- You can try doing more cycles if you do not enter the trance -- mind begins to wander, external stimulus become subdued... However, you should keep in mind that you might risk losing sleep completely. To counter this problem, you might want to switch to a more comfortable position, such as the one you always use for sleeping. Honestly I don't recommend doing more than 6 cycles. If still no trance after 6 cycles you really should just give up and go to sleep. There is still a high chance for you to become lucid in the dreams, and you can always try to do it once more after you wake up again. The sudden uncomfortable feeling might be caused by trying to stay completely still, which is the wrong way to do SSILD. If you stay absolutely still, your body might think it is okay to quit functioning and go to sleep. In order to make sure it does not fall asleep before the brain does, the body sends a signal to test if you are still alert. That signal basically make you feel extremely uncomfortable. If you ignore that then you have a very chance to enter a WILD, although this can truly be a test for one's will. Not requiring you to stay completely still is a key feature of SSILD. You should always feel comfortable, and if that means scratching that itch then you should by all means do it! In the worst case you just make it up by doing one more cycle. Big deal, right? Anyway, you should always be relaxed, allow the trance to carry you gently into sleep. Don't fight it. It is my pleasure to help fellow LDers. Thank YOU for trying this new technique!

Originally Posted by Histopotomus: I registered just to post in this thread and say thanks! I have been trying to lucid dream for only three weeks or so, and had my first lucid dream ever last night thanks to this method. I woke up in the middle of the night naturally, and started cycling through these steps. I definitely lost focus a few times, and at one point I had a sudden flash of an image of a salad bar in a restaurant (I don't even know!). Then I felt those vibrations people talk about from the WILD technique - holy hell, that was amazing! But it only lasted a second or so. Then I tried plugging my nose and I could breathe through it! I tried to move out of bed but it was very difficult to move. Eventually I did get up, and I looked back to see if my real body was still in the bed (it wasn't) and went to the bathroom. I tried to make it so that when I opened the bathroom door I would be somewhere else, but that didn't work either. The bathroom did look weird though, it was in the middle of being renovated and had bookshelves full of young adult novels in there. I definitely did the rubbing hands thing, and also plugged my nose again just to make sure. Then I just kinda woke up. I tried to do it again since I didn't have to get up at any particular time today but I was too excited from the dream to fall asleep again. So anyway thank you for this! What an amazing feeling. The most exciting dream I've ever had about going to the bathroom. -------- A bathroom full of porns? Wow, if that's not exciting then nothing else is, LOL. Congrats!

Originally Posted by MadMonkey: I've seen a lot of people mentioning this method the last couple of days so I thought I would look it up yesterday. I had never really heard of a technique like this and it seemed really interesting so I thought I would try it. Holly cow it worked better than I expected. Just a little background, It takes a lot for me to experience HI or sleep paralysis. That makes it really hard for me to WILD. I woke up at 4:30, wrote down a dream real quick and tried SSILD. The first cycle or two not much seemed to happen. I could hear a high pitched buzzing in my ear and some very subtle imagery. On the third cycle my mind wandered with the beginnings of a dream plot but I caught myself, I knew that was a great sign. On the fifth cycle the HI and buzzing started to get intense. My vision started flashing bright white on and off and the buzzing went along with it light an alarm. I felt vibrations in my body. After it settled down a bit and I thought I might be dreaming already. It was a bit hard to move but the nose plug RC failed. I laid back down and had some very vivid half dreams were I was just watching the imagery. Suddenly I woke all the way back up. I thought it was an FA but I RCed and it wasn't. I just went to sleep quickly like suggested. I can remember the dream from the very beginning even when it was just developing from HI and the plot was unfolding. I was fairly aware even from the beginning. After a little while I had a sudden spontaneous boost of full lucidity. I woke up rather quickly but that was my fault and I didn't really mind because I wanted to be sure to wright it down completely. I'm going to be experimenting a lot with this technique. I don't totally understand why it is so effective at inducing trance states indirectly but It diffidently does. -------- When the HIs and vibrations get intense you should immediately do a nose RC and get up. Do not wait for it to die down because you will likely just wake up as you introduce more rational thoughts into the process. Getting real close!

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Hi CosmicIron. I was wondering if you would consider writing a new SSILD tutorial? Now you have many more people's experiences (including successful and unsuccessful attempts!) that have improved the technique. -------- Yes I've been thinking about that all the time... and that simply tells you how lazy I am, LOL.

Originally Posted by WDr: You just ignored me and my question? -------- But seriously, could you please answer it? -------- LOL, no I didn't ignore you, at least it was not my intention. You can use an alarm to wake yourself up as long as you had sufficient amount of sleep prior to that. The general rule of thumb is: 1. If you find it difficult to complete the first two cycles then you either do not have sufficient sleep, or you need to wake up a bit more before you begin the exercise. 2. If your mind does not drift after 4 cycles then you are too awake.

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Question for cosmic iron: If you do SSILD in the night, go to sleep, have an LD then wake up again but want to try for another LD, should you: A: Just go back to sleep again normally (after doing your DJ etc) B: Do SSILD cycles again (after DJ) C: Something else -------- I'd do a couple more cycles again and then go to sleep. Don't do too many though as you may end up not being able to fall back to sleep.

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: This technique is correct, but I don't think CosmicIron should take credit for development of it. I see CosmicIron on pretty much every LD website. On ld4all this guy says his first lucid dream was in April, 2012.. I'm sure he has done studies like he claims but makes himself out to be more experienced than actually is. No offense towards CosmicIron, just thought I would put it out there. Thanks for the tutorial though. -------- I'd like to ask you to quote the exact phrase which supposedly is from me that says I had my first LD on April, 2012. The SSILD technique first appeared early last year on the Chinese forum "Baidu Tieba", and was posted by my Chinese online alias "宇宙之铁＂which is the literal translation of "Cosmic Iron". The first version of English translation of SSILD was published on August last year on DV under the title "A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs". It was later refined and renamed to SSILD and was posted first onto LD4all while DV was recovering from the hacker attack. I have no idea where you got your "facts"... You probably meant no offense but this is nonetheless an accusation based on false facts.

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: Apologies. Just realized it says "from @lago" but on the left it says cosmic.iron. Then I realized they all say that because that is who started the thread not the replier. "From @Iago 04-01-2012 First LD! I set up an alarm before going to bed, and when I woke up i tried SSILD. It worked, I think I fell asleep during the last cycles. In the dream, I was at an English school (not native here) which my uncle works for as a teacher, in other city. I pinched my nose and noticed I could breathe. I yelled from joy and excitment, I can't remember the words exactly, and started jumping. However, I couldn't transform the dream the way I wanted, I tried to change some girl's face which I had never seen to someone's I used to know, and I began looking for a WritersCube's clock, none succesful. Suddenly I was home, in the city I live, and there were two strange people, one of them related to previous dream events, but I didn't care about the other. The enviroment wasn't vivid, it was fading out. I thought I would really find the dreamclock when my alarm started IRL. I started rubbing my hands, and yelling "I want to stay!", but I woke up anyway. Think it was better that way, because the lucidity would fade out and it would turn to a normal dream again. Now in my memory it looks like a normal dream, but I'm sure I got lucid. Low lucidity. Next time I must remember to take a look at my enviroment, and ask for more realism." My mistake. I also read another thread about how this is similar to "Indirect Techniques" but I read your reply/explanation. You can never be too sure if someone is professional or not on the internet haha. Regards. -------- Apology accepted, and thanks for the clarification

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: Question, are you supposed to do the cycles until you kinda lose focus and fall asleep unintentionally? or do 4-5 cycles and then try to fall asleep (get into a new postion, etc.)? -------- Either is fine. However, if you fall asleep unintentionally it may be a sign that you have not awakened sufficiently, and that will yield less than optimal result.

Originally Posted by psychoTR2: Can't afford it, I've got a 30 dollar Motorola phone. Anyways, so I took a nap at 5:30, had to explain to my dad why I was, since it's not something I usually do. I tried SSILD beforehand, but I wasn't getting tired, so I used a isotone for sleep. I had a dream, but it wasn't lucid, nor an OBE. But, I did wake up at midnight, almost 7 hours later! So I had a deeper sleep for some reason. I had woken up pretty much completely before I thought to do SSILD, and I figured I had spoiled my chances of that working by doing so (had I?), I decided to do a WBTB with isochronic tones, but was unable to sleep with my headphones in. So, I took them out and went to sleep normally, still trying SSILD. I didn't wake up untill 6:50, a few minutes ago. Still, a deep sleep, but nowhere near lucid. I will note, though, that the dreams I've had were more vivid than I've had in a while, and they apparently lasted longer. But, I find myself still unsuccessful with the methods I've tried. Is the fact that I mix methods not gettting me an LD, does it sound like I'm trying too hard? -------- If you can't fall back to sleep then you are trying too hard. Provide me with more details on how you actually performed the technique so I can help you analyze.

Originally Posted by psychoTR2: Well, I wake up, I analyze any sensations on my body, look at any lights I see with my eyes closed, and listen to any buzzing in my ears. The thing is, though, that I can't seem to stay still or keep my eyes closed when I wake up, so is this impeding me? -------- You are not supposed to stay still upon waking up as this is not a DEILD technique, although if you can do it it's certainly helpful. Also, if you meant staying still or trying to keep your eyes close DURING the exercise, then you are definitely not doing it correctly. The key is to be comfortable and relaxed. It is perfectly okay to move while doing SSILD, just make up by doing one more cycles. Another suggestion is to do the cycles in shorter intervals in the begining as it will help you relax more quickly. As you go deeper into the trance, you will more likely to notice various sensations without too much difficulty. Whereas if you focus too much in the begining you may end up adding stress and even risk losing sleep.

Originally Posted by Xanous: This has been giving me some success. I found that cycling faster at the beginning helps me a lot. I eventually slow down but I started keeping my awareness on the visual part constant while I cycled hearing and touch. Sometimes I had all 3 in awareness. I kept it going way longer than I intended and actually triggered an unintentional WILD. I think I will keep this one in my routine. EDIT: BTW I think I should mention I DID do this at the start of bed time and I DID WILD at the start of bedtime. However, It wasn't the best of LDs so I would recommend WBTB first. But don't ever say something WILL NOT work. We are all different. -------- You are right. We are all very different. On our forum there is this guy who could always succeed, easily, with SSILD, upon first landing on the bed. To date he already registered more than a hundred LDs/OBEs, and that's within less than a year. EDIT: I should also mention that he does this with his wife sleeping in his arms...

Originally Posted by Xanous: Who is this guy you speak of? Is he a Dream Views member or another forum? I would really like to ask him some questions. BTW I didn't mean to come across as hostile in my previous post. I'm always worried about that after the fact -------- He is not on this forum but I'm very familiar with his routine since he keeps his progress in very detailed logs on our forum and we stay in close touch. So basically you can just ask me and I can always forward your question to him in case I don't already know the answer. I didn't find any of your previous posts hostile so no worries.

Originally Posted by itsok: Ok, i found the answeres for my questions after reading couple of pages at ld4all.Someone asked the same things as i wanted to, and there he got answeres. By the way i tried this 3 times, once for 'go to bed' time, once after wake up naturally in the mid of the night, and once after half an hour i got up in the mourning.Couple notes and more questions. No lucidities yet, but when i woke up first time at night, i felt something wierd.No lucids but it seemed to me, i was more awake in my dream at night than in the regulars.Hard to say sorry When i've tried couple hours ago, i was wide awake, but i go to bed again.I found with this tech is extremely easy to relax, and go deeper and deeper very soon. But im not sure i do the 'body scan' part correctly.I try to notice if my bodyparts have a wierd feeling. and then i imagine to move my legs arms head, another position.Is that right? I have not problem with the other two ,(try) to seeing flashes, and hear voices.If i can see(not vivid pictures, just yellow flashes) may i go through to the next step after half a minute? And about the hearing thing.If im at dead quiet places, i always hear in my ears ringing.Is this ok?I concentrate to hear it more and more, and it takes no effort to me at all Interesting thing, i have had no chance to turn into lucid after i go back to bed after 6 hours of sleep.I did the cycles, and fell asleep, and my timing was right, coz i slep 1 hour and started with a dream, but no lucid. Hope u all understand what i wanted to say. Oh and forgot to mention, i tried in the past couple days to wake up without open my eyes, and not moving at all, without success.But this night and mourning i could do that.So it is usuful for those who wanted to practise the waking up without any move for deild too. I wake up 3 times and did that all 3 times.I dont know is it because of this tech, but it seems it helps for this too.At least suspicious. -------- The most important part to remember with this tech is this -- do NOT expect it to work WHILE you are doing it. If during the exercise you get strange sensations that's great, and if you go straight into LDs from it well that's even better! However, you should always consider that as moments of luck, and learn not to pursue them. Having said all that, there will be times which you encounter intense imagery, sounds, body sensations, and kinesthetic illusions. When those do happen, you should stop cycling and focus on observing the sensation without getting excited. You can also try pushing them a little bit mentally to make them more intense, but do not do it too eagerly. It is fine to hear ringing noises when quiet. Actually you WANT to hear that! As for feeling the body, there is no set rules. You can focus on just some parts like your hands, feet, etc., or you can scan your body head to toe. Again, if you don't feel anything unusual that's perfectly okay! Another advise I like to give -- do the first few cycles more quickly then slow down gradually. When you just begin cycling, your mind and boy are not yet ready; therefore no matter how much attention you focus you still won't feel anything and if you keep on forcing it you create tension which is no good. After a few quick cycles though, you begin to get closer to the trance. At this point you will find it has become much easier for you to observe the various sensations without much effort! As for this method helping you stay still upon waking up, I'd say your observation is correct. SSILD is good at producing realistic FAs so basically these moments which you think you have awakened are indeed FAs! Because they are FAs they are much easier to deal with -- even if you forgot to stay still for some brief moments you still will be fine!

Originally Posted by itsok: Think so. But i tried this tech the last 3 days when i went to bed first time too.And then again when i woke up in the night, and/or in the mourning. I did this this mourning after 5 hours of sleep, when i woke up, get out of bed, breakfast,cigarettes, and went back to bed, then starting the exercise of the ssild.I did the cycles about 4-5 times, and fell asleep.I think i woke up, with massive body sensation i was vibrating ly or something.It was enaugh.But i did the nose rc and failed Then i fell asleep again, and get 1 hour of sleep with non lucid dream. -------- During the vibration stage, the ability to move your dream body instead of the physical body in fact is, a skill, which can be trained and improved. When in deep trance and SP, whenever you move it's likely you are moving your dream body. However, there will be times when you are sort of in the middle, between things. In this case, if your focus/awareness is on the physicals then you move your real body; on the other hand, if you focus on the dream side then you can move your dream body. I can this Focus Point of Awareness. As you become better at shifting this focus point, it is not impossible to shift it while being wide awake, without going into sleeps first at all. There is a post about this, let me see if I can find it for you... Ok here it is: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/theory...4/#post1930739 Next time you are in the trance, don't abruptly move to do RCs. Instead, try to feel the subtle dream hand -- it is very light and can be moved without physical effort, and slowly raise it to reach for your nose. This will increase the chance to succeed with the RC as well as helping you shift the focus to the dream.

Originally Posted by itsok: I dont know why the hell occoured this problem with my legs..Its really strange.It ruins my attempts for making it perfectly.I found this tech very useful, not just for about lucid dreaming, but it is amazing relaxation technique.Or it was?Coz it doesnt work even for relaxation couple days ago, coz my damn legs.I feel nervous in them, and have to move.Uncomfortable the whole exercise,and cant relax so well, like in the first couple days when i found this tech.Hope it will desappear soon, maybe i should search the web for fixing this problem. -------- That does happen to me sometimes too. It's not the technique but a condition as it happens with every technique I've used. I find it is normally caused by me being physically exhausted but mentally still excited. I suggest when this happens, don't force it. It's a sign that you are not getting enough rest. We always have another chance to LD

Originally Posted by Sinok: There's been a few conflicting comments in this thread, so if you could clarify that would be great. You said the idea was like self-hypnosis, it's not a way to get into sleep paralysis, but to "massage" your brain so it'll be easier to become lucid in a dream. (the massage part is from another thread for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about) However, in response to MadMonkey's comment you wrote: -------- Shouldn't he be ignoring it and just going to sleep afterwards? -------- This is from the original article of SSILD: "5. A WILD or direct OBE. Phase entrance may occur during the repetition, with your mind still awake. When this happens, many of the sensations become amplified. You should stop doing any further exercises, and begin focusing on the sensations until you successfully enter the phase. "

Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF: It doesn't matter if this technique works or not, when I can't fall asleep it puts me into sleep in minutes After first repetition I'm almost falling asleep lol. -------- That means you are doing it correctly! Now all you need to do is to fine tune your sleep schedule and the length of staying awake prior to the exercise.