Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by mcwillis: When you practice the instructions you may enter a lucid dream or an OBE before going back to sleep or you may enter a lucid dream or OBE when you have gone back to sleep. It is a WILD though many would argue that this is a DEILD method, another form of WILD. As CosmicIron says repeat the procedure 4 or 5 times. EDIT: Sorry for multi-posting, its late and Im tired. -------- If one practices each of the 3 steps (see, listen, and feel) with aggression -- intending to produce immediate sensations, then it becomes a WILD method. I usually discourage new users from doing this as it can cause unexpected side effects and sometimes make the technique less useful. However, more experienced users know how to adjust the level of aggression to suit their conditions, and will provide excellent results. Below is a very unique experience recorded by one of the users in another forum. He used the technique for active phase entrance: I just finished a Phase session where I used your cycling technique. In about 5 minutes I felt my physical focus waning. Then the strangest thing happened. I was was doing step 3 (which is to notice any strange body sensations) and all of a sudden I had a full vision of my body. It was dark in the area and I was kind of like outlined in white energy. Then something that looked like a "pac-man" head started to gobble my toes and work it's way up my leg, it did the same to the other leg and kept going higher. Piece by piece my physical body was being devoured. There was no pain or gore, since my body was just an outline. The sensation was incredible, the next thing I know my entire body is gone and I am in a land with the most vivid scenery and colors I have been too yet. The sensations of watching my body disappearing and then leaving me as just "total 100% conscious energy" was the most exhilarating I have ever had. The mental picture of this really drove that point home.

Originally Posted by mcwillis: Mr. Raduga says that this is a common misconception that people have that being too awake is going to reduce ones chances. From years of seminar research and results the level of 'wakefulness' that one has is irrelevant to a successful phase entrance. -------- The most recent research of Mr. Raduga is that phantom wiggling, swimming technique, rotation and imaging rubbing hands in front of one's face are the most effective indirect techniques. We often are in the 'phase' state immediately upon waking. I have many times awoken, keeping completely still, and immediately just left my physical body by getting up like I would do with my physical body. If this doesn't happen then 'Indirect Techniques' are then necessary to move one towards the phase state. -------- IMO, while wakefulness is irrelevant, successful phase entrance does require the user to be able to shift from being fully awake to a state that boarder between wakefulness and sleep. In order to do so, one needs to either quickly fall asleep, or focus on deepening the state through more active relaxation and hypnosis methods. While this is not impossible to do, it is definitely difficult for new users, and that's the very reason Mr. Raduga discourages using Direct Method as the primary mean to achieve phase entrance. SSILD was designed with beginners in mind. One can definitely use the technique ACTIVELY, and given enough repetition one can enter a trance from being fully awake (after all, it is very similar to Betty Ericson's self-hypnosis). However, that requires determination and skill often lacked by beginners.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Oh my gosh. This technique is amazing! So last night, I woke up after 5 hours of sleep, went to the restroom, then got back in bed. I did about, 5 cycles (If I remember correctly.) Then I got comfortable and did one cycle for some reason. After a few minutes I turned over once more (now on my stomach) and fell asleep. I woke up.. and my body was completely paralyzed! I could not move. I think I could open my eyes, but I didn't want to! I got really scared. I heard these weird wind sounds in my ears or something, and my body just felt heavy and numb (it was a bit hazy at this part, can't remember much). I just decided, "What the heck, I'm getting out of this!" (I've done this before, and I ended up in a FA) So I tried wriggling my head, then my arms, then my fingers, and finally "broke" out of SP. I lay motionless , still lying on my stomach in my bed. Then I thought to myself, "Crap. I shouldn't have done that." But then I RCed out of reflex, and what do you know, I was in an FA! I got really excited. Still laying on my stomach, I used my arms and "pushed" me out of bed. It was extremely hard to do this. It was like pushing a rusted lever or something (kind of like I was "stuck" to the bed). Then I saw it was dark in my room so I got scared once more (I'm always afraid of seeing scary things in my dreams, like weird shadows and such). So eventually after my adventure filled lucid dream (it was pretty vivid at the start, then I kind of lost lucidity at the end), I woke up. I remember going throughout the morning, kind of sad that I didn't have any more time to use the technique in the night, because of school. Then it faded. I woke up in my bed. I guess I missed my opportunity for another lucid dream. Tricky tricky false awakenings I looked at my clock and, all of that happened in less than 2 hours! How awesome is that! Definetly trying this again tonight! Oh yeah, and what could that be classified as? DEILD? FA? Not sure. (it's for putting it in my sig ) (Sorry for the long post...) -------- Glad it worked for you! Yes, SSILD is very good at producing FAs! As for classification, I like to call it a hybrid of WILD and DILD, or maybe self-hypnosis... who knows, LOL. BTW, next time you find yourself stuck during an OBE, don't force it. Start by rubbing your hands, and then imagine yourself spinning. Once you start spinning you can get up easily. If the room appears dark, you can try shouting "Lights up!" Or flipping light switches can also produce excellent results. Sometimes the room may not light up, but flip it a few times then something will definitely lit -- for example, the outdoors might turn to day light, street lamps might get turned on, stars may shine...

Cool technique I think I'll try it tomorrow during a WBTB. One question though, why is it SSILD, shouldn't it just be SILD? or is there already a technique called SILD that I don't know about?: EDIT: nevermind I did a search and found SILD (song initiated) so I guess that's why you did the double S's

Quote from Mr Radugas book "A practical Guide book" Pg No 16 "Dream consciousness is also considered to be a phase experience. If you suddenly realize that you're dreaming while asleep, then that's already the phase. You should therefore proceed to implement your plan of action and stabilize the state. If dream consciousness does arise, it would be a side effect of doing technique cycles upon awakenings. This side effect is quite common - always be ready for": This is what SILD is about.

Originally Posted by Taffy: Wait... I don't want to do an OBE, especially not by accident... Should I still use this? Could it be used only for inducing lucid dreams (through FAs I guess)? -------- If you absolutely don't want OBE, then you should do the cycles in the most relaxed, dumbest manner -- not thinking or expecting anything to happen during these steps. This is in fact the most correct way to use the technique. When you do it in this manner, the techniques will help put you into a trance-like state, then you fall asleep from there.

Originally Posted by Chetan: Quote from Mr Radugas book "A practical Guide book" Pg No 16 "Dream consciousness is also considered to be a phase experience. If you suddenly realize that you're dreaming while asleep, then that's already the phase. You should therefore proceed to implement your plan of action and stabilize the state. If dream consciousness does arise, it would be a side effect of doing technique cycles upon awakenings. This side effect is quite common - always be ready for": This is what SILD is about. -------- Please see my previous post regarding the subtle differences between SSILD and Michael's technique. They are similar but there are distinct differences between the two methods, especially in the way these cycles should be performed. I'd rather say SSILD is more closely related to Betty Ericson's self-hypnosis technique.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: If you absolutely don't want OBE, then you should do the cycles in the most relaxed, dumbest manner -- not thinking or expecting anything to happen during these steps. This is in fact the most correct way to use the technique. When you do it in this manner, the techniques will help put you into a trance-like state, then you fall asleep from there. -------- Ok, so will we still get FAs with this? Or does this technique give us FAs no matter what?

Originally Posted by Chetan: They say in an obe there is silver chord attached to your dream body. -------- This is typically accepted as a fact by people who practice astral projections. However, in an OBE or LD, you often see what you want to see, and your beliefs play a determining role on that.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Yeah, I don't really want an OBE either. Is there a difference? (For me, I thought an OBE was a more vivid, realistic kind of consciousness-thingy...) -------- Actually your previous experience could be classified as an OBE! I always suspect people who say OBEs are more realistic are just bluffing. Yes, OBEs can be realistic, but so does LDs. OBEs can also be totally unrealistic just like LDs -- for example, very often people start from their childhood houses instead of their current one... would you call that realistic? Indeed some OBEs can occur during NREM, but those NREM-based OBEs are often very poor in quality, nothing realistic at all. Often people equal OBEs with "experiencing reality without physical body", and IMO that is very misleading.

Originally Posted by Taffy: So... If I understand this correctly, we can use this (if we don't want OBEs) to more easily induce SP to use with WILD. Is that right? -------- If we use SSILD as a WILD method by doing the cycles more aggressively, then it is very likely to result in an OBE. However, if we do it in a very lazy manner then usually nothing will happen during the exercise. You will fall asleep afterward then become lucid in later dreams.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: Did a WBTB last night with this. I did maybe 4-5 cycles then fell asleep really quick. No results. I'll try it again tonight. -------- If that's the case, you may want to be a bit more aggressive while doing the steps -- look more carefully behind your eyelids, search for patterns, colors, etc. Listen to sound and try to adjust the volume mentally; Imagine some kinetic sensations... be careful though, when you do this you may end up focusing too much which causes you to lose sleep. You need to experiment to find what's best for you

Originally Posted by enak101: I'll try this technique for a while. Sounds pretty good. Can I get some clarification for the difference between OBE and LD? -------- OBE, in a broad sense, describes the experience during which you seem to rise from your physical body and move about in a non-physical form. There are many kinds of OBE though, and some people tend to recognize only a subset of these as the "genuine" OBE. For example, some disregard "dreams of OBE" as real OBE. This usually happens in combination with false awakenings -- you have an FA, then you perform some WILD technique within it. Of course you will right away experience vibrations, HIs, and etc., and you then exit your body. You believe you are having an OBE, but it's actually an OBE within a dream! You are lunching yourself from a platform of fake realities, and as a result when you do wake up the whole experience will feel unreal. In this case, it is not much different from a LD. Let's look at another example. You experience SP while being fully awake, and then you manage to make the exit. This, when it happens, will feel like genuine "soul leaving the body". You may even see your physical body lying on the bed. However, no matter how awake you are, the moment you make the exit, you step into a different reality. It is very common for people to rise from a different location such as their old houses, school dormitories, or a room that's pieced together from the various places where they previous lived at. Just like in a dream, the moment you step into this non-physical world your IQ is reduced by half, and thus you won't be able to recognize the anomalies. You then go on with your adventure but when you wake up you will hardly remember much detail... again, just like a lucid dream. Would you call this OBE or WILD? There is hardly any real distinction. Some people like to describe OBE with these attributes: environment almost identical with reality; sharp mind, clear as day-time and 100% functional; solid objects that are hard if not impossible to manipulate; no memory loss upon returning to physical body, etc. In other word, they are describing "soul travel in reality or near-reality". These kinds of experiences, IMO, are extremely rare and most people who report them are probably bluffing, at least to some degree. I personally have had a few thousand OBEs, yet very few of them fit all the above descriptions (only exception being when I used special techniques, but that's a whole different matter). In our forum, we have collected many thousands of OBE cases, and again not a single one fit all the descriptions, minus a few which are quite obviously from less credible sources. I know technically there are differences between some special-case OBEs and LD. For example, some OBEs can occur during NREM. However, the majority of OBEs are not much different from LDs. You can essentially treat them as LDs which uses your bed as the starting point. Let me make it clear -- what I'm saying here is based on my own experiences and researches. They are my personal opinions only.