Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked. Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own? -------- You don't have to use alarm clock. In fact I never do since I always wake up multiple times during my sleep. For best result though you may want to get out of your bed and stay awake for a few minutes.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I know that happened to me too.. except I fell asleep on the first rep in the second cycle lol. Hate it when that happens. Didn't get lucid though. -------- I suggest you stay awake a bit longer before doing the exercise. You will also want to be a bit more "diligent" while cycling through the senses. For example, try a little harder to pick up things in the dark...

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?: Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better. : A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo er. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out. -------- While I can't explain exactly why it works, I am confident it is not placebo. On the China based forum, I've collected thousands of success stories, all happened within 8 months, and quite a few people managed to learn to induce LDs at will using SSILD with near 100% success rate. It does take time and practice to master though... so it is still not as easy and idiot-proof as I want it to be... hopefully we can further improve it.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: Although I'm not participating in the forums anymore, I'm still getting email notifications for replies to this thread. Seeing people's questions go unanswered like this somehow made me feel guilty . Therefore I've decided to come back to provide technical support until the warranty expires... LOL -------- We are glad to have you back.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: Been trying this since it came out... no results. -------- While you were doing this, were you experiencing the "trance"? The trance is the state when your mind begins to wander... you occasionally forget to continue the exercise, and when your thoughts come back you no longer remember how many cycles you have done or at what step you become lost. If you are not experiencing this then you are not doing the exercise correctly. Another possibility is lack of mental effort... I need to know more details about how you did your exercise in order to help you analyze.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: Still no results. Leaning towards placebo. -------- Please give me more details on how you did it so I can help. Generally though, there are three major categories for failure: 1. Can't fall asleep after the exercise. This is due to too much mental effort and eagerness to get result during the exercise (essentially treating it as a WILD method) 2. Fall asleep too quickly. This is the opposite of the above problem. In this case you need to focus more during the cycles and spending extra time to stay awake before going back to bed may also help. 3. Not entering the "trance". The trance is the state when your mind wanders and you forget to do the exercise occasionally.

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer: I did everything perfect and was undisturbed but I still didn't get lucid Dx. I told myself to wake up after 5 hours, woke up at some time, used bathroom, got water, did 5 cycles, fell asleep in good time, had normal dream . Tonight I will try not getting up at all and see if it goes better then. -------- Did you have trouble falling asleep afterward?

Wasn't really able to attempt SSILD because I was away But the other night (when I woke up in the morning) I just decided to do SSILD because I missed my chance in the middle of the night. So I did and after about 3 cycles I felt strangely relaxed. Like really, really relaxed. My dad woke me up though. @CosmicIron: Yay! Oh and do we need to stay still the whole time we're doing the cycles? I hate it because ever since I've stopped attempting WILDs I keep moving about every 20 seconds, repositioning my arm, leg, etc.

Originally Posted by ch00b: Just wondering, do we repear each step after doing it or repeat the entire process when we are done? Thanks. -------- Exactly like what @Taffy said. Sometimes you may feel that the steps overlap -- for example, sighting and hearing going at the same time. That is fine as long as you don't deliberately attempt that.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Wasn't really able to attempt SSILD because I was away But the other night (when I woke up in the morning) I just decided to do SSILD because I missed my chance in the middle of the night. So I did and after about 3 cycles I felt strangely relaxed. Like really, really relaxed. My dad woke me up though. @CosmicIron: Yay! Oh and do we need to stay still the whole time we're doing the cycles? I hate it because ever since I've stopped attempting WILDs I keep moving about every 20 seconds, repositioning my arm, leg, etc. -------- Thanks Sydney it is important to feel relaxed and comfortable during the exercise; therefore if staying still makes you uncomfortable then you should definitely move to find a better position. In fact if you feel even slight uncomfort it is probably a sign that indicates you are not doing the exercise correctly. Also, do NOT deliberately try to stay motionless. Doing so will only make you tense and lose sleep. Find the most comfortable position as long as you don't fall asleep right away.

Originally Posted by DinoSawr: I have a question before I attempt this tonight: If you fall asleep while doing the cycles after having entered the trance a few times, is this okay too? -------- Yes it's perfectly fine! Just make sure you remind yourself to do an RC upon waking up again.

Did the technique correctly last night, no results though. :/ I think I was thinking too much about it, like, "has it been 20 seconds yet? Oh crap no don't sart thinking like that, I'm not supposed to do that! STOP IT!! AHHHH!!!" Pretty much how it went down lol. Thanks CosmicIron! I'll apply that tonight I have a pretty good feeling about tonight's attempt.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: @cosmiciron Does it matter if you forget the order of the trance and maybe repeat parts and not others? Like sight>hearing>sight>touch>sight>hearing. Somehow when I'm in the trance I forget what to do, haha. -------- Since he hasn't answered I'm going to go ahead and try based on how he've replied before: The point IS to loose track of yourself. You're suppose to wander away and forget what your doing upon entering the trance after some cycles. Just hope you made atleast 2-3 cycles before you fall asleep.

Originally Posted by daban: Since he hasn't answered I'm going to go ahead and try based on how he've replied before: The point IS to loose track of yourself. You're suppose to wander away and forget what your doing upon entering the trance after some cycles. Just hope you made atleast 2-3 cycles before you fall asleep. -------- Couldn't have said it better myself

Went to bed late last night, so I only got about an hour and 45 minutes worth of actual sleeping after my WBTB. I managed to do only one rep in one cycle and fell asleep. It was weird though. The next dream I had was pretty vivid, and I was walking around wondering, "Could this be a dream, what if this was a dream?" Never got lucid though.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Went to bed late last night, so I only got about an hour and 45 minutes worth of actual sleeping after my WBTB. I managed to do only one rep in one cycle and fell asleep. It was weird though. The next dream I had was pretty vivid, and I was walking around wondering, "Could this be a dream, what if this was a dream?" Never got lucid though. -------- LOL. You were THAT close! I guess if you had managed one more cycle you probably would have succeeded . It is quite common to have spontaneous LDs as well as suspicions of realities after doing the exercise. Next time remind yourself to do RCs more often, and please try at least more than one cycles, LOL.

Originally Posted by Sea07: Hey welcome back CosmicIron. Do you have any theories on why me and DannyY have been experiencing unusual dreams from this? I've received one nightmare and two dreams in which I was paralyzed. I never get either of those so close together and it intrigues me. Thanks. -------- One common phenomenon often experienced after the exercise is sudden occurance of OBE and SP within a dream. That is, while you are dreaming you suddenly find yourself lying there, either on bed or floor, experiencing an SP or phase entrance of an OBE. This sometimes happen without any warning or transition to the waking state. Since nightmares are common when associated with SPs, my guess is that you may be experiencing this kind of sudden spontaneous SPs within a dream.