Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

I almost had a lucid dream again from this technique, but my mind didn't fully realize the fact that I was dreaming. I considered it for a second, but the whole "Oh snap" phase never occurred where I would be completely lucid. I only managed to do 2 cycles of the technique, and I entered the trance once or twice. I suppose I need to pull myself back a little bit more each time I catch myself drifting off?

I just had a LD using this technique too. My process is: 1) Drink PLENTY of water 2) Go to sleep quickly after drinking water 3) Wake up to use the bathroom 4) Record last dream in Dream Journal 5) Go on the internet for 15-20 minutes to ensure a small level of awakness 6) Lie flat on my back, arms at my side, and eyes closed. 7) Do four cycles 8) Roll over to most comfortable sleeping position 9) Do four more cycles 10) Sleep Granted, there are usually three things that prevent me from successfully completing the process often. The first being not waking up in the first place. The second being too tired after waking up to remember to even try (I just use the bathroom and flop back down on my bed and instantly pass out when this happens). The third being falling asleep while doing the cycles (this one happens the least). If these three things didn't happen and I did the process every night I feel as though I would be having LD's multiple times a week.

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: I just had a LD using this technique too. My process is: 1) Drink PLENTY of water 2) Go to sleep quickly after drinking water 3) Wake up to use the bathroom 4) Record last dream in Dream Journal 5) Go on the internet for 15-20 minutes to ensure a small level of awakness 6) Lie flat on my back, arms at my side, and eyes closed. 7) Do four cycles 8) Roll over to most comfortable sleeping position 9) Do four more cycles 10) Sleep Granted, there are usually three things that prevent me from successfully completing the process often. The first being not waking up in the first place. The second being too tired after waking up to remember to even try (I just use the bathroom and flop back down on my bed and instantly pass out when this happens). The third being falling asleep while doing the cycles (this one happens the least). If these three things didn't happen and I did the process every night I feel as though I would be having LD's multiple times a week. -------- Sounds like a good plan! I may try this tonight too. Oh and, do you ever get too awake after your on the internet? Because of the lights, etc.? Sometimes I just get on for a couple of minutes, then I'm unable to go back to sleep.

Originally Posted by [email protected]: I claimed that SSILD is not placebo back in the thread, but yes... I think it's placebo, at least, half, IMO. -------- Has anyone checked out the Chinese forum the guy's talking about to see if the success stories are actually genuine? Anyone could come on this forum and claim they've developed a great technique on a forum in a language that nobody on the forum actually speaks.

I tried this technique this night and I got my fifth Lucid Dream. After a few cycles, my mind drifted away, but I couldn't sleep immediatly. But after I fell asleep, I became lucid out of the blue and had a Lucid Dream, which was quite longer than my LDs before. I also have an good dream recall today. But I got a question. During this cycles, I suddenly had a strange feeling, as if somebody would throw a ball or a pillow right in my face. Does anyone know, what this was?

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Has anyone checked out the Chinese forum the guy's talking about to see if the success stories are actually genuine? Anyone could come on this forum and claim they've developed a great technique on a forum in a language that nobody on the forum actually speaks. -------- If you want you can check out this URL which collects the first-time success cases happened in the last 8 months or so (actually much less because the Zchinese search engine omits several months of data, ridiculously). There are about 250 cases in that thread. If we count the overall success cases then the number can go easily beyond thousands. In fact, one of my students recorded over 200 LDs in less than 8 months http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1481417265

Originally Posted by Sydney: Sounds like a good plan! I may try this tonight too. Oh and, do you ever get too awake after your on the internet? Because of the lights, etc.? Sometimes I just get on for a couple of minutes, then I'm unable to go back to sleep. -------- Yesterdaynight I decided to surf on my iphone on my wbtb for like 5-10 minutes. Never again, ever. I didnt fall asleep and I was up all morning until school. Got 5 hours sleep. xD

Originally Posted by BooHoo: I tried this technique this night and I got my fifth Lucid Dream. After a few cycles, my mind drifted away, but I couldn't sleep immediatly. But after I fell asleep, I became lucid out of the blue and had a Lucid Dream, which was quite longer than my LDs before. I also have an good dream recall today. But I got a question. During this cycles, I suddenly had a strange feeling, as if somebody would throw a ball or a pillow right in my face. Does anyone know, what this was? -------- Great ! Maybe it was a SP or a FA...

Originally Posted by daban: Yesterdaynight I decided to surf on my iphone on my wbtb for like 5-10 minutes. Never again, ever. I didnt fall asleep and I was up all morning until school. Got 5 hours sleep. xD -------- Yeah, that's what I did sort of. Hmm... I've always wondered what I could do during my WBTB that would allow me to be awake enough to remember to do the technique.. but be able to fall asleep easily. :/

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: If you want you can check out this URL which collects the first-time success cases happened in the last 8 months or so (actually much less because the Zchinese search engine omits several months of data, ridiculously). There are about 250 cases in that thread. If we count the overall success cases then the number can go easily beyond thousands. In fact, one of my students recorded over 200 LDs in less than 8 months Ì«Ðþ³É¹¦°¸ÀýÊÕ¼¯_ÓîÖæÖ®Ìú°É_°Ù¶ÈÌù°É -------- I went to the site and Google Chrome automatically translated it for me. On the first post it translated something to "Do not water." I LOL'd.. I think this was supposed to be "Do not flame."

Originally Posted by [email protected]: Guys I've been praciticng SSILD for like 15 days and stopped because it didn't work after trying 3-4 times for some reason. I claimed that SSILD is not placebo back in the thread, but yes... I think it's placebo, at least, half, IMO. If SSILD works for you consistently then it's not placebo...because I think you found your technique that fits you, and I've already had my own technique before SSILD - didn't stick to it for long time though - I started to use SSILD because I thought it was the solution for WILD during night...but then I had a dryspell -.- so don't rely on SSILD too much, I think. few days ago I didn't care about SSILD and then I got instant lucid strangely, and I started to use my own technique again and it's working well...: I'm having the same problem with you! I fall alseep too fast xD you can pm me to discuss with this, we can figure it out. I don't really care about staying 10 min 30 min whatever the time we have to stay for WBTB - it's really annoying if you waste 30 min and just pass out. I stay up for just 2-5 seconds for WBTB. I think intent is the key -------- I would just like to say that I've been using this technique for about 4 weeks and I can say that every night that I sleep somewhat early and manage to get perfect amount of activity on my wbtb, I almost guaranteed get lucid with this technique in either dild or deild. It just gives me great awareness. The quality of my lucids arent so good but I dont think it has to do with the technique, I just need to practice more stabilisation and awareness.

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: This technique doesn't seem to work for me at all. Is it possible that I need to keep using the technique and it works in the long term? Or if I haven't had success after a week does it mean it will not work at all? -------- Maybe if you can provide a detailed description on how you did the exercise I can help you diagnose

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: Maybe if you can provide a detailed description on how you did the exercise I can help you diagnose -------- I'm a diligent student - I'm sure I'm doing it properly as prescribed by you in your initial tutorial and in subsequent posts. I've also tweaked my approaches slightly; all of those tweaks I've experimented with have been described by you at some point in this thread. Is it time to give up or should I keep trying?

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: I'm a diligent student - I'm sure I'm doing it properly as prescribed by you in your initial tutorial and in subsequent posts. I've also tweaked my approaches slightly; all of those tweaks I've experimented with have been described by you at some point in this thread. Is it time to give up or should I keep trying? -------- I won't be able to answer your question until I know what exactly went wrong with your exercise. I understand that you are following it diligently, but you have to understand that despite the numerous efforts spent on creating the SSILD technique (as well as everything else out there), lucid dreaming is still more art than science...

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: This technique doesn't seem to work for me at all. Is it possible that I need to keep using the technique and it works in the long term? Or if I haven't had success after a week does it mean it will not work at all? -------- Lol Bobblehat ... look at your signature "lucid dreaming is the hardest habit to make" if you believe that lucid dreaming is hard it will be for you ... it's like a placebo effect but in a negative way =) What you believe will be always true for you. Try affirmations ... "lucid dreaming it's easy and natural for me" or when you do SSILD believe that it will work for you. Pessimism is not the answer :p

Hi astralboy, My sig is just a bit of frivolity. I don't really buy into the "believe and it will happen" school because I don't believe in blind belief. It's not a tenable position. I have a kind of heirarchy of beliefs that - in my opinion - reflects reality: I believe I will sleep tonight. I believe I will dream. I believe I will recall some dream events. I believe my awareness in dreams will fluctuate, sometimes that awareness will rise to a level where I realise I'm dreaming. That heirarchy is positive, but realistic.

I didn't get lucid but I just wanted to share what I did if you have any feedback CosmicIron. ^_^ I woke up for WBTB naturally after about 5 hours. I then went to the restroom and got back in bed. I lay still on my back and did about 4 cycles. Then I rolled over onto my right side (it was hazy at this part.. I can't remember if I did more cycles while I was on my side or not). I then fell asleep after a while. Even though I think I do okay, I still don't get lucid. Do you think I could have "woken up" into an FA? Because I remember waking up once or twice before my alarm went off to wake up in the morning.

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Hi astralboy, My sig is just a bit of frivolity. I don't really buy into the "believe and it will happen" school because I don't believe in blind belief. It's not a tenable position. I have a kind of heirarchy of beliefs that - in my opinion - reflects reality: I believe I will sleep tonight. I believe I will dream. I believe I will recall some dream events. I believe my awareness in dreams will fluctuate, sometimes that awareness will rise to a level where I realise I'm dreaming. That heirarchy is positive, but realistic. --------: But you are the proof that your believes are real lol Why being negative is more realistic ? :p Dont believe without proof other persons or religions but you can believe without doubt and without problem in yourself !! All your beliefs about yourself are real, because beliefs will always be real for you (I know from astral, books and experience) Belifs make our world, our life. If you believe that you are weak... you are weak. If you believe that you are ... you are . If you believe that you can heal you... you will (placebo effect) ... The day you will believe that lucid dreams are natural for you it will be! : Dont believe me ... practice =)

I think I'll give this a shot. I'm not one to try methods with no clear mechanism to their workings. But I have a theory, perhaps it turns on parts of the brain associated with interpreting sensory information , which dreams are made out of. I think the FA's would be caused because the brain loves to make dreams based around the information you took in right before falling asleep.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I didn't get lucid but I just wanted to share what I did if you have any feedback CosmicIron. ^_^ I woke up for WBTB naturally after about 5 hours. I then went to the restroom and got back in bed. I lay still on my back and did about 4 cycles. Then I rolled over onto my right side (it was hazy at this part.. I can't remember if I did more cycles while I was on my side or not). I then fell asleep after a while. Even though I think I do okay, I still don't get lucid. Do you think I could have "woken up" into an FA? Because I remember waking up once or twice before my alarm went off to wake up in the morning. -------- Sydney, I'm sorry it's still not working for you How long does it take for you to finish each cycle? Were you doing each step quickly? Maybe 15-20 seconds are not enough. I suggest you try to extend the length of each step. For example, while looking behind the eyelids, try to thoroughly examine the darkness and do not move on to the next step until you pick up something out of the dark no matter how trivial. Same goes for listening -- do not move on to next until you can hear something inside your head... Basically just forget about the 10-20 seconds requirement. Do this for the first 4 cycles then ease up and allow yourself to drift into the trance with a couple of more relaxed cycles and then go to sleep.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: Sydney, I'm sorry it's still not working for you How long does it take for you to finish each cycle? Were you doing each step quickly? Maybe 15-20 seconds are not enough. I suggest you try to extend the length of each step. For example, while looking behind the eyelids, try to thoroughly examine the darkness and do not move on to the next step until you pick up something out of the dark no matter how trivial. Same goes for listening -- do not move on to next until you can hear something inside your head... Basically just forget about the 10-20 seconds requirement. Do this for the first 4 cycles then ease up and allow yourself to drift into the trance with a couple of more relaxed cycles and then go to sleep. -------- Thank you CosmicIron Will try this tonight and see if I get any success. I will, though, because it's SSILD.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: Sydney, I'm sorry it's still not working for you How long does it take for you to finish each cycle? Were you doing each step quickly? Maybe 15-20 seconds are not enough. I suggest you try to extend the length of each step. For example, while looking behind the eyelids, try to thoroughly examine the darkness and do not move on to the next step until you pick up something out of the dark no matter how trivial. Same goes for listening -- do not move on to next until you can hear something inside your head... Basically just forget about the 10-20 seconds requirement. Do this for the first 4 cycles then ease up and allow yourself to drift into the trance with a couple of more relaxed cycles and then go to sleep. -------- I think I will try that too.

Hmm, that didn't work either. Maybe I just need to try it some more Will again tonight. P.S.: When focusing on my body, what should I be "expecting" to feel? Also I think I know what may be the problem. I never know when I'm in the trance. It doesn't feel like I'm in it when I stop doing the cycles and fall asleep.