Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Somedays yes Sydney, my brother studies at the morning and his alarm wakes me up too about 6:20 am(we sleep in the same room). But my body just accustomed to waking up after the dreams and I always notice that I woke up. I think that there is no problem with waking up by alarms to this technique, but if I don't do anything before starting the cycles I can't pay attention and fall back to sleep too short. Next time you try, try to recall the last dream and write it in your DJ before doing the cycles, it will make you more aware while doing the cycles.

Originally Posted by Rubens: Next time you try, try to recall the last dream and write it in your DJ before doing the cycles, it will make you more aware while doing the cycles. -------- Alright, will do. I have some time on my hands in the morning so I can sleep (and hopefully wake up before 6 hours) longer and thus have more chances for SSILD. Not sure how it works later in sleeping though.

Here's my (positive) experience with this: It seems that doing it "lazily" like the OP mentions seems to be quite important. When I first started trying this I focused too much on it, like I would when meditating. After a few nights I started trying it differently, cycled without thinking too much about it, had an LD after falling asleep, noticing that the pants I was wearing aren't right, I was wearing something else before, I assume I was able to notice this because of SSILD. Yesterday and today I had 4 LDs (2 yesterday, 2 today) after SSILDing, when cycling, my mind would wander into other random thoughts, and I just calmly started cycling again when noticing so. I think the goal here is to be lazy indeed, don't be afraid if your mind starts wandering into random thoughts, but your mind just has to calmly be reminded to cycle from time to time, without thinking too much about it. Some cycles were even interrupted by random thoughts since I was doing it so lazily. I think this works because after a while your mind will "wander" except that wander is actually a dream and when you remember to cycle again, you realize you are dreaming; that's how it feels to me at least. Oh also, I WBTB before SSILDing. (I always WBTB for anything)

Originally Posted by Rubens: You fall asleep fast even after writing in your DJ and going to the kitchen to drink some water ? -------- Eating/drinking makes it harder for me to fall asleep. Don't know if it counts for water though. Writing in your dream journal then going back to bed should be a good idea though.

When I say drinking water, I just want to say that would be good to stand up and walk to the kitchen, just to "wake up more". I always do the 3 things, write in my DJ, go to the kitchen and go to the bathroom, even if I'm not thirsty, just to do something that will wake me up more.

Originally Posted by Sydney: I've been waking up after 6 hours, but I'm falling asleep too quickly when I do SSILD. It's weird, because when I used to wake up after 5 hours of sleep to do SSILD, I was pretty awake through the whole thing, and had trouble getting back to sleep. But now since I'm waking up after 6 hours, I can barely stay awake for at least one cycle! It's like it's reversed. I'll see what I can do tonight. -------- That indeed is weird... how long do you stay awake before attempting the exercise? Also, while doing the exercise you may want to use a position that's different from your normal one.

Hello... i just read all the pages on this thread, and this seems to be a good technique. However, i just have a question, since i have to do in a relaxed manner, lazily and without any rational thoughts, could i use some relaxing music? because it will help me to relax and also helps my mind to wander. Im asking this also because i kind(in some way) use this technique but for meditation, but only focusing in my breath and my parts of my body. When i do this i feel heaviness and maybe some tingling. Thanks

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: That indeed is weird... how long do you stay awake before attempting the exercise? Also, while doing the exercise you may want to use a position that's different from your normal one. -------- Usually 5 - 10 minutes. Okay. Well last night I got up at 6 hours again, and stayed up for 10 minutes. (DJing) Then I got back in bed and barely did one cycle before forgetting about it and falling asleep. But afterwards I did have a dream in where I questioned my reality, but it was too realistic, so it failed. :/

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: It has continued to work for me, and hundreds maybe thousands of other people. Of course, as with every other techniques, this is not meant to be a recipe for guaranteed success, especially that many people may not even be doing it correctly. -------- I would love to know where you found THOUSANDS of participants. I found the tutorial on ld4all, I promise you that they don't have thousands of active members. If you are going to lie, at least make it believable.

Last night, the same thing happened when I did a WBTB. Only, I almost fully did one cycle lol When I laid down back in bed, it like, hurt to focus on my eyes. Like my eyes were so tired they just wanted to "drop and lay there". It was like the focus was making me even more tired, wanting to stop and go to sleep. I knew I didn't have a lot of time to dream, like an hour, but that didn't stop me. I think I woke up after SSILD, with 30 minutes left. I was determined to fall back to sleep. So I kinda did, but something happened and I came back to focus. My ears started ringing (Well, it sounded like blood rushing to my ears only 10x intensified) for about a minute or so. Afterwards, I waited, but nothing else happened. So I moved. It didn't even feel like I was in SP at all. No FA either. What could that have been?

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: I would love to know where you found THOUSANDS of participants. I found the tutorial on ld4all, I promise you that they don't have thousands of active members. If you are going to lie, at least make it believable. -------- That, sir, is both nasty and ignorant. If you read my original post, it is clearly stated that the method was developed and tested on the Chinese forum (Baidu Tieba to be clear) which has over 60,000 active participants. LD4all is where I first posted the English version of the technique, and that was nearly a year since the technique was developed and deployed.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Last night, the same thing happened when I did a WBTB. Only, I almost fully did one cycle lol When I laid down back in bed, it like, hurt to focus on my eyes. Like my eyes were so tired they just wanted to "drop and lay there". It was like the focus was making me even more tired, wanting to stop and go to sleep. I knew I didn't have a lot of time to dream, like an hour, but that didn't stop me. I think I woke up after SSILD, with 30 minutes left. I was determined to fall back to sleep. So I kinda did, but something happened and I came back to focus. My ears started ringing (Well, it sounded like blood rushing to my ears only 10x intensified) for about a minute or so. Afterwards, I waited, but nothing else happened. So I moved. It didn't even feel like I was in SP at all. No FA either. What could that have been? -------- You nearly succeeded. Next time when that happens just stay calm and do a nose pinching RC. Chances are you will find yourself in a dream.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: You nearly succeeded. Next time when that happens just stay calm and do a nose pinching RC. Chances are you will find yourself in a dream. -------- Okay I will try to stay calm next time too. I remember when hearing it, I was like, "Oh gosh. Oh gosh, oh gosh!" So what you're saying is to just wait, right? I wasn't in SP I don't think, so I don't know what that was.

Originally Posted by Sydney: Okay I will try to stay calm next time too. I remember when hearing it, I was like, "Oh gosh. Oh gosh, oh gosh!" So what you're saying is to just wait, right? I wasn't in SP I don't think, so I don't know what that was. -------- It's not SP. It's an FA. Best way to deal with it is to do an RC and get up, or you can try to mentally increase the intensity of the sound/image. The later method may not work if you get too excited

Originally Posted by Sydney: Oh really? So maybe I just missed it? Because pretty much right after it happened, I got up and RCed; telling me that I was awake. -------- This happens sometime. As you get excited, you shift from an FA to reality in a seamless fashion. Anyway, you were really close! Good luck!

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: That, sir, is both nasty and ignorant. If you read my original post, it is clearly stated that the method was developed and tested on the Chinese forum (Baidu Tieba to be clear) which has over 60,000 active participants. LD4all is where I first posted the English version of the technique, and that was nearly a year since the technique was developed and deployed. -------- I think your being a little dramatic "nasty". Also i looked up that site and it doesnt seem to exist. Well the site does exist, but doesnt seem to involve lucid dreaming. Could you provide a link to one of your articles there? I would think that with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo. You need to not get so defensive over something that a person on the internet said. Especially when it wasnt that bad.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: I think your being a little dramatic "nasty". Also i looked up that site and it doesnt seem to exist. Well the site does exist, but doesnt seem to involve lucid dreaming. Could you provide a link to one of your articles there? I would think that with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo. You need to not get so defensive over something that a person on the internet said. Especially when it wasnt that bad. -------- Then I think your being a little dramatic too with your accusation of me "lying". The site "tieba" is a huge platform for many smaller sub-forums. In order to go to the lucid dreaming site you need to enter the word "Lucid Dream" (in Chinese) in their search window. If you can read Chinese you are welcome to take a look at this link: Ì«Ðþ³É¹¦°¸ÀýÊÕ¼¯_ÓîÖæÖ®Ìú°É_°Ù¶ÈÌù°É. This is where I collected more than 200 unique success stories of using SSILD, and it is only a small subset of the actual cases. I do not understand why you said "with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo". A placebo that is proven to work among a large number of people, over a long period of time, again and again? I'm sorry, do we understand the word "placebo" THAT differently?

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: I think your being a little dramatic "nasty". Also i looked up that site and it doesnt seem to exist. Well the site does exist, but doesnt seem to involve lucid dreaming. Could you provide a link to one of your articles there? I would think that with thousands of test subjects you would ubderstand that this is a placebo. You need to not get so defensive over something that a person on the internet said. Especially when it wasnt that bad. -------- It's not a placebo. If you take some time to think about why and how it works, you can see underlying similarities with the MILD and even WILD techniques. I do not understand why you are so quick to declare something null when clearly it has worked for many. Even if you disagree with the technique, I would say you are being unnecessarily aggressive and you are only wasting your time by posting in the first place. You've made your beliefs clear and known, but the rest of us are not interested in what you have to say.

Oh my god. Either the people on that forum are complete babbling idiots or google translate just sucks. Either way i still dont believe that this is a solid technique. Im afraid there isnt going to be much of a constructive argument since you believe so much in it. Im sorry that you disagree. Also I'm sorry I'm "nasty". I didn't mean for my post to come off that way. I would hate for you to see when I'm angry. : Originally Posted by DinoSawr: It's not a placebo. If you take some time to think about why and how it works, you can see underlying similarities with the MILD and even WILD techniques. I do not understand why you are so quick to declare something null when clearly it has worked for many. Even if you disagree with the technique, I would say you are being unnecessarily aggressive and you are only wasting your time by posting in the first place. You've made your beliefs clear and known, but the rest of us are not interested in what you have to say. -------- Clearly worked for so many? You need to re-read this thread... And know what a placebo is. A placebo can be powerful, and can give you lucid dreams. But it's not a technique, it's just your mind tricking itself into thinking it will work. Mind over matter? Yes it has worked for a few people, but not consistently. At least not with English speaking people. I will apologize for calling him out as a liar. I have nothing to back myself up. I should have evidence before accusing someone. But I still feel like he isn't being truthful, is that my fault? Your post is only directed at me and not the thread itself. So youre just being hypocritical by telling me "I'm wasting my time". Well I came here to talk about lucid dreaming, how's that wasting my time? but the rest of us are not interested in what you have to say. -------- And you have the right to speak on behalf of everyone? Wow, if I knew you had that much power I wouldn't have even attempted this argument.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok: Oh my god. Either the people on that forum are complete babbling idiots or google translate just sucks. Either way i still dont believe that this is a solid technique. . -------- You are free to believe or not believe in something. However, calling people idiots like that will only discredit you. You asked for evidence so I gave that to you -- more than 200 of them, collected in only a few months; yet again you accuse me of being untruthful without providing any explanation. To me, that IS "nasty".

dakotahnok - if you don't like this technique, than don't bother to use it, or write about it. I don't really care if there was a million people who had success or if there was only one, the point is, if it works for you and if it doesn't, than we have CosmicIron (and others) here with us who is kind enough to provide guiding and good advices for us, we write about it here just because we like it and want to use it right way.