Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

I've given this method a go using wbtb the last 3 nights with no success :'( , although i had a FA yesterday but im not sure if that has anything to do with this method. One question , I wear a face mask while sleeping so the sunlight doesn't wake me up in the morning , will that affect this method at all or is it ok to keep wearing it?

Originally Posted by shaun95: I've given this method a go using wbtb the last 3 nights with no success :'( , although i had a FA yesterday but im not sure if that has anything to do with this method. One question , I wear a face mask while sleeping so the sunlight doesn't wake me up in the morning , will that affect this method at all or is it ok to keep wearing it? -------- Some people on our forum also use sleep mask and ear plugs, and they seem to work fine. As for FA I can't say for sure if it is caused by SSILD, but the SSILD technique indeed seems very good at generating them, sometimes super realistic ones. Thus, whenever you wake up from doing SSILD you should remember to do an RC. BTW, did you have trouble sleep after doing the exercise, or you fell asleep quickly in middle of it?

So last night I got the same result - I woke up after about an hour (after WBTB) and decided to fall asleep again so that I would get something out of SSILD. I did, and then I woke up in what felt like this weird feeling. I can't remember exactly the feeling, but I felt kinda heavy, and maybe I felt small vibrations. Not sure though. This lasted about 10 seconds. I didn't want to move because I thought it was real SP, and I could have waited for a DEILD! But just like yesterday night, after the 10 seconds or so, it stopped. I'm not sure if I "fell asleep" or "woke up", but I"m pretty sure it was the latter. It was probably an FA. It seems like I'm getting closer! I just gotta realize those tricky FAs.

Originally Posted by Sydney: So last night I got the same result - I woke up after about an hour (after WBTB) and decided to fall asleep again so that I would get something out of SSILD. I did, and then I woke up in what felt like this weird feeling. I can't remember exactly the feeling, but I felt kinda heavy, and maybe I felt small vibrations. Not sure though. This lasted about 10 seconds. I didn't want to move because I thought it was real SP, and I could have waited for a DEILD! But just like yesterday night, after the 10 seconds or so, it stopped. I'm not sure if I "fell asleep" or "woke up", but I"m pretty sure it was the latter. It was probably an FA. It seems like I'm getting closer! I just gotta realize those tricky FAs. -------- One way to counter this kind of situation is to always do another round of SSILD. If you are in an FA, chances are those sensations -- visuals, sounds, and body movements will become pronounced almost immediately.

Originally Posted by shaun95: I find it hard to concentrate on the 3 steps and yes , I find it a little bit difficult to fall back to sleep after attempting SSILD. Any tips? -------- Actually, finding it hard to concentrate is THE PREFERRED WAY to do the exercise. You should allow your mind to drift. Trying to concentrate will only keep you awake, and cause loss of sleeps afterward.

Woo! Great success. I followed CosmicIron's advice to let my mind drift (usually I killed whatever direction my mind was going) and did the technique. It took me awhile to go to sleep. I'm talking about at least a half hour, but when it happened I didn't notice because my dream started with me lying in bed trying to sleep and giving up. I go to walk my dog and despite it supposedly being 7AM it looks more like 8AM. I notice this and do a reality check and bam, I realize I'm dreaming! I have a question though. Personally, I felt like I was in control but there is thing that happened twice where its like it randomly cuts and that makes me question. Let me explain. I was walking with this girl and we were just wandering around my neighborhood and the next second we were wandering around a Wal-Mart. I was still lucid at that moment, but how could that happen if I was fully lucid and in control? I didn't even doubt why all of a sudden I'm in Wal-Mart.

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: Woo! Great success. I followed CosmicIron's advice to let my mind drift (usually I killed whatever direction my mind was going) and did the technique. It took me awhile to go to sleep. I'm talking about at least a half hour, but when it happened I didn't notice because my dream started with me lying in bed trying to sleep and giving up. I go to walk my dog and despite it supposedly being 7AM it looks more like 8AM. I notice this and do a reality check and bam, I realize I'm dreaming! I have a question though. Personally, I felt like I was in control but there is thing that happened twice where its like it randomly cuts and that makes me question. Let me explain. I was walking with this girl and we were just wandering around my neighborhood and the next second we were wandering around a Wal-Mart. I was still lucid at that moment, but how could that happen if I was fully lucid and in control? I didn't even doubt why all of a sudden I'm in Wal-Mart. -------- Congratulations! Your experience is a perfect showcase of the kind of super-realistic FAs generated by SSILD As for the shift of environment, it is quite common. Even in LDs we are normally not all that "lucid". We have the notion of dreaming and some degree of self-awareness, but it does not necessarily mean we are as alert and attentive as in waking life. There are many techniques to help improve lucidity and control though.

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard: What are some because I've had quite a few LD's using this technique but probably only 2-3 where I'v felt I was truly in control of myself. -------- Rest assured it has nothing to do with which technique you use. Upon becoming lucid, I'd suggest you immediately do some deepening techniques which will help stabilize the dream as well as increasing lucidity. Robert Waggoner has an excellent article on this.

Can you give us a link to this article ? CosmicIron, there is a small Brazilian Lucid Dreaming forum and they seem to don't know about this technique around here, I wanted to ask you if I could translate it to portuguese and publish on this forum ? Is there any name to whom I have to give the credits ? Or I just mention you as "a member known as CosmicIron from DV forum" ?

Originally Posted by Rubens: Can you give us a link to this article ? CosmicIron, there is a small Brazilian Lucid Dreaming forum and they seem to don't know about this technique around here, I wanted to ask you if I could translate it to portuguese and publish on this forum ? Is there any name to whom I have to give the credits ? Or I just mention you as "a member known as CosmicIron from DV forum" ? -------- The link is here: The Lucid Dream Exchange Please feel free to translate (thank you!) the SSILD article. The article was first posted on LD4all, and I used the ID "cosmic.iron".

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: This technique doesn't seem to be producing good consistent results for anyone. Sure some people have gotten an LD or two, but after that everyone seems to have trouble with this technique. -------- I completely agree. I don't mean to talk bad about someone else's technique but I think your time would be better spent on better, more proven-to-work techniques. Now, this isn't to say I think this technique is all bad, I believe it has its uses but not with the intended use of this technique. I believe the hanging onto senses is great for both dream incubation and as an anchor when you are WILDing. Originally Posted by Rubens: Well, I had 5 LDs and a semi-LD with it, not mentioning about 5 FA's that I lost So, I'm an exception. -------- It's highly possible that what you're having are just MILDs and nothing to do with this technique.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3: This technique doesn't seem to be producing good consistent results for anyone. Sure some people have gotten an LD or two, but after that everyone seems to have trouble with this technique. -------- That is simply not true. By speaking for "everyone", I assume you have collected some statistical data on a pretty large sample base, or is it just an "impression"? As with ANY technique, to make it work consistently requires one to keep performing the technique in correct manner with some personal adjustments. As I've repeatedly said, SSILD is not a technique that's developed solely based on individual experience. It was the result of collaborative efforts of many people. Thus, it never lacked clearly documented testimonials since the very beginning. There are hundreds of first-time success stories, thousands of repeated success, and dozens of people who managed to use the technique to induce LDs/OBEs at will. All of these mentioned can be found online, albeit mostly in Chinese. Compared to some of the well-known techniques such as MILD, SSILD is indeed in its infancy, but it does work and there are statistics backing it up. If it once worked for you but stopped working, I suggest you re-visit the article and read it more carefully. You should also compare what you are doing now with the times it worked. Of course, you are free to choose the technique that works best for you, and in no way I'm suggesting SSILD is the best solution for everyone.

Originally Posted by mindfckk: So basically, I felt vibrations, my heart was beating very fast. However, after a few seconds, it stopped... Do I have to do something while this happens?? Could you develop a bit what you mean by "hung into these sensations" ?? -------- That's kinda what happened to me for a couple of days. According to CosmicIron, you were probably in a False Awakening when you felt those vibrations. When it stopped, I think that meant you were "transitioning" from the dream state to real life. You just didn't notice it. So what CosmicIron told me to do was to just do another round - cycle - of SSILD. If you were in a false awakening, those senses would be intensified. You would know you were dreaming by then. What I think he means by saying "hang onto these sensations," means like, I guess just to focus on them, or to focus on them passively. I'm not sure - CosmicIron will have to tell you that

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: That is simply not true. By speaking for "everyone", I assume you have collected some statistical data on a pretty large sample base, or is it just an "impression"? As with ANY technique, to make it work consistently requires one to keep performing the technique in correct manner with some personal adjustments. As I've repeatedly said, SSILD is not a technique that's developed solely based on individual experience. It was the result of collaborative efforts of many people. Thus, it never lacked clearly documented testimonials since the very beginning. There are hundreds of first-time success stories, thousands of repeated success, and dozens of people who managed to use the technique to induce LDs/OBEs at will. All of these mentioned can be found online, albeit mostly in Chinese. Compared to some of the well-known techniques such as MILD, SSILD is indeed in its infancy, but it does work and there are statistics backing it up. If it once worked for you but stopped working, I suggest you re-visit the article and read it more carefully. You should also compare what you are doing now with the times it worked. Of course, you are free to choose the technique that works best for you, and in no way I'm suggesting SSILD is the best solution for everyone. --------: I was wondering...could you link us to that Chinese forum? Could you point us to people who collaborated on this? Could you share some of those publications you mentioned producing on that other forum? I think many here would like to read that info. Also: I don't have an accurate statistic but based on the reports we'ver gathered, the success rate is at least 50% if not higher. One thing we do know is that once you get a hang of this it produces consistent results. On the Chinese forum I worked with a smaller group of people, approximately 50, very closely, interacting with them on a daily basis. Five of them learnt to be able to succeed on a daily basis. They were complete amateurs with no prior experience with lucid dreaming. The average time for them to achieve this consistent result is about two months. Aside from these five people, all other members have experienced success, mostly within the first week, and they can average at least one or two LD/OBEs per week. The technique was first released on that forum in August last year. To date we have collected hundreds of detailed report on success. -------- Throughout the years I've recorded thousands of LDs and OBEs. --------: Would it be possible to share some of this research? I think it would help people greatly, particularly reading the experiences of others.

Okay I'm wondering, how can LD still feel so real but sometimes you can't recall them in the morning?!?! Im only saying this because for my two, I awoke after immediately and so all the feelings and sights were still so vivid. It seems to defeat the purpose of having a LD at all to me.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: You are free to believe or not believe in something. However, calling people idiots like that will only discredit you. You asked for evidence so I gave that to you -- more than 200 of them, collected in only a few months; yet again you accuse me of being untruthful without providing any explanation. To me, that IS "nasty". -------- Lol woah. I guess you cant see that i made a joke? I was basically making a comment on how messed up google translate is. Also i apologized once before... whats your problem?

Alright boys, it's just a misunderstanding. Emotion is nearly impossible to read in a text-only post. So, I also looked over that Chinese forum. Google Translate produces some fascinating results. It's amazing how metaphors don't translate well from one language to another. Still, I could understand a lot from context, and their thread is just like ours. Some success stories, some half-success stories, and some failures. Apparently people dream the same all over the world, no surprise to anyone here. I did notice there are only 232 posts in that thread, and even with a 50% success rate that wouldn't equal 'hundreds' of cases. Who cares?! CosmicIron, we appreciate your sharing this idea with this forum. Many people will find it beneficial. For those that don't, no worries. We have a number of other methods in the WIKI and all over the forum. Nearly all of them are some variation of another method. What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.: - No method guarantees success with every person. - Not every person will lucid dream. We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas.

Originally Posted by melanieb: What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results. - No method guarantees success with every person. - Not every person will lucid dream. We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas. -------- Amen to that.

Originally Posted by melanieb: Alright boys, it's just a misunderstanding. Emotion is nearly impossible to read in a text-only post. So, I also looked over that Chinese forum. Google Translate produces some fascinating results. It's amazing how metaphors don't translate well from one language to another. Still, I could understand a lot from context, and their thread is just like ours. Some success stories, some half-success stories, and some failures. Apparently people dream the same all over the world, no surprise to anyone here. I did notice there are only 232 posts in that thread, and even with a 50% success rate that wouldn't equal 'hundreds' of cases. Who cares?! CosmicIron, we appreciate your sharing this idea with this forum. Many people will find it beneficial. For those that don't, no worries. We have a number of other methods in the WIKI and all over the forum. Nearly all of them are some variation of another method. What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.: - No method guarantees success with every person. - Not every person will lucid dream. We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas. -------- Thank you melaniebe for the clarification, which is sincere and with good intention, unlike some other previous posts. As for the thread let me clarify a little. The url points to a single thread which I started some time ago to collect first-time only success stories which are scattered all over the forum. The tieba platform is technically limited, thus it's search result only includes data from the first three months and the most recent three months. The rest of the data are simply omitted. As a result, by the time I decided to start that thread much of the information was already impossible to find. After collecting a couple of hundred cases we just gave up and stopped updating the thread diligently. As for repeated successes with SSILD we see them all over the place in the forum. In fact, one of the students alone recorded over 300 LDs in the past few months using Ssild. Another thing worth mention is that the thread is based on my personal tieba forum which has fewer than 2,000 members. These people followed me from the much larger lucid dream forum which now has over 70,000 members. A lot of information is deeply burried in that forum as well.

A random question; but CosmicIron, do you know if waking up naturally or by alarm would be better for SSILD? (I know we've probably discussed this earlier on in the thread, but I guess I'm just refreshing my memory xD) It's weird. When I wake up by alarm in the middle of the night I remain drowsy until I get back in bed, where I fall asleep when I hit the pillow. Without alarm, I'm able to actually walk around in some awareness and actually focus on something. If naturally is the way to go, I'm having trouble waking up at a specific time. Do you think mantras would help in this case? Although, I find it hard for me to fall asleep at the beginning of the night with mantras, but that's just me. Thanks.