Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by Wanderlust: Still nothing. Last night I noticed that when I'd hear a sound or see something very briefly, it would catch my attention, then disappear shortly afterwards. What is this a sign of? -------- Those are HIs caused by the exercise and when that happens you are already extremely close to stepping into the dream consciously! Unfortunately you got excited and that causes it to go away. Next time you see this you should resume a passive observer role, and at the same time do not think rationally. Allow the HIs to manifest, and they will turn into full blown dreams automatically.

I tried the following steps, and I can say I'm not really disappointed. I went to sleep at ten, woke up at two and even though I was VERY tired I tried my best with the cycles. I think I did four of them before I felt sluggish, and not really able to concentrate on anything but sleep anymore. So I went to bed, and instantly it felt like I was falling through my bed, or getting extremely light. I felt as if I might have an OBE, due to the way my body felt. It was the strangest feeling I've ever felt, then I fell asleep. I don't believe I had a lucid dream, because I can't remember it to well. And if I did have one, I'm sure I would remember it right? But it was weird once again, my dream self was having lucid dreams inside my dream! (dreamception?) And my dream self was bragging about it in the dream about how the technique worked. It was so strange, but I am definitely not disappointed even if I didn't have the lucid dream! I'll be trying this again tonight, thanks!

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: I tried the following steps, and I can say I'm not really disappointed. I went to sleep at ten, woke up at two and even though I was VERY tired I tried my best with the cycles. I think I did four of them before I felt sluggish, and not really able to concentrate on anything but sleep anymore. So I went to bed, and instantly it felt like I was falling through my bed, or getting extremely light. I felt as if I might have an OBE, due to the way my body felt. It was the strangest feeling I've ever felt, then I fell asleep. I don't believe I had a lucid dream, because I can't remember it to well. And if I did have one, I'm sure I would remember it right? But it was weird once again, my dream self was having lucid dreams inside my dream! (dreamception?) And my dream self was bragging about it in the dream about how the technique worked. It was so strange, but I am definitely not disappointed even if I didn't have the lucid dream! I'll be trying this again tonight, thanks! -------- It's possible to forget lucid dreams. With below average dream recall it can actually be quite easy to do so, especially for longer LDs. I've had almost that same exact dream where you dream of going to sleep and having an LD. I don't think it's considered an LD but it means you're getting closer.

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: I tried the following steps, and I can say I'm not really disappointed. I went to sleep at ten, woke up at two and even though I was VERY tired I tried my best with the cycles. I think I did four of them before I felt sluggish, and not really able to concentrate on anything but sleep anymore. So I went to bed, and instantly it felt like I was falling through my bed, or getting extremely light. I felt as if I might have an OBE, due to the way my body felt. It was the strangest feeling I've ever felt, then I fell asleep. I don't believe I had a lucid dream, because I can't remember it to well. And if I did have one, I'm sure I would remember it right? But it was weird once again, my dream self was having lucid dreams inside my dream! (dreamception?) And my dream self was bragging about it in the dream about how the technique worked. It was so strange, but I am definitely not disappointed even if I didn't have the lucid dream! I'll be trying this again tonight, thanks! -------- It is quite common... basically it's an LD which is followed by a False Awakening, or an LD that is launched from an FA. Either way, it is a lucid dream by most accepted standards. When you had the weird falling sensations though, you were extremely close to having a genuine OBE while being full conscious. Next time when this happens just relax and go with the flow.

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: Will do! I'm going to try again tonight, I'll post the results. -------- Well, last night it didn't work at all. I didn't even have any weird feelings when going back to sleep, so I think I might know what the problem was. How conscious/awake do I need to be for the exercises to do what they need to do? Because I was barely aware or conscious when I did them last night, I barely knew what I was doing except for the senses practicing. Right when I was done, I was sound back to sleep within a minute.

Originally Posted by TofuBitz: Well, last night it didn't work at all. I didn't even have any weird feelings when going back to sleep, so I think I might know what the problem was. How conscious/awake do I need to be for the exercises to do what they need to do? Because I was barely aware or conscious when I did them last night, I barely knew what I was doing except for the senses practicing. Right when I was done, I was sound back to sleep within a minute. -------- If you find it hard to complete the first two cycles then you are simply too tired to make it work. On the other hand, if your mind does not drift after four cycles then you are too awake.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: If you find it hard to complete the first two cycles then you are simply too tired to make it work. On the other hand, if your mind does not drift after four cycles then you are too awake. -------- So, to clarify, if I feel like I am not falling asleep after 5 cycles (which is how it usually is for me), should I continue with the cycles? Also, I tend to feel uncomfortable at the end of the 5 cycles and have to roll over, meaning I basically don't get to sleep for a long while. EDIT: By the way many thanks for always helping and replying on your threads here and on LD4all!

Originally Posted by Nivv: So, to clarify, if I feel like I am not falling asleep after 5 cycles (which is how it usually is for me), should I continue with the cycles? Also, I tend to feel uncomfortable at the end of the 5 cycles and have to roll over, meaning I basically don't get to sleep for a long while. EDIT: By the way many thanks for always helping and replying on your threads here and on LD4all! -------- You can try doing more cycles if you do not enter the trance -- mind begins to wander, external stimulus become subdued... However, you should keep in mind that you might risk losing sleep completely. To counter this problem, you might want to switch to a more comfortable position, such as the one you always use for sleeping. Honestly I don't recommend doing more than 6 cycles. If still no trance after 6 cycles you really should just give up and go to sleep. There is still a high chance for you to become lucid in the dreams, and you can always try to do it once more after you wake up again. The sudden uncomfortable feeling might be caused by trying to stay completely still, which is the wrong way to do SSILD. If you stay absolutely still, your body might think it is okay to quit functioning and go to sleep. In order to make sure it does not fall asleep before the brain does, the body sends a signal to test if you are still alert. That signal basically make you feel extremely uncomfortable. If you ignore that then you have a very chance to enter a WILD, although this can truly be a test for one's will. Not requiring you to stay completely still is a key feature of SSILD. You should always feel comfortable, and if that means scratching that itch then you should by all means do it! In the worst case you just make it up by doing one more cycle. Big deal, right? Anyway, you should always be relaxed, allow the trance to carry you gently into sleep. Don't fight it. It is my pleasure to help fellow LDers. Thank YOU for trying this new technique!

I've seen a lot of people mentioning this method the last couple of days so I thought I would look it up yesterday. I had never really heard of a technique like this and it seemed really interesting so I thought I would try it. Holly cow it worked better than I expected. Just a little background, It takes a lot for me to experience HI or sleep paralysis. That makes it really hard for me to WILD. I woke up at 4:30, wrote down a dream real quick and tried SSILD. The first cycle or two not much seemed to happen. I could hear a high pitched buzzing in my ear and some very subtle imagery. On the third cycle my mind wandered with the beginnings of a dream plot but I caught myself, I knew that was a great sign. On the fifth cycle the HI and buzzing started to get intense. My vision started flashing bright white on and off and the buzzing went along with it light an alarm. I felt vibrations in my body. After it settled down a bit and I thought I might be dreaming already. It was a bit hard to move but the nose plug RC failed. I laid back down and had some very vivid half dreams were I was just watching the imagery. Suddenly I woke all the way back up. I thought it was an FA but I RCed and it wasn't. I just went to sleep quickly like suggested. I can remember the dream from the very beginning even when it was just developing from HI and the plot was unfolding. I was fairly aware even from the beginning. After a little while I had a sudden spontaneous boost of full lucidity. I woke up rather quickly but that was my fault and I didn't really mind because I wanted to be sure to wright it down completely. I'm going to be experimenting a lot with this technique. I don't totally understand why it is so effective at inducing trance states indirectly but It diffidently does.

I registered just to post in this thread and say thanks! I have been trying to lucid dream for only three weeks or so, and had my first lucid dream ever last night thanks to this method. I woke up in the middle of the night naturally, and started cycling through these steps. I definitely lost focus a few times, and at one point I had a sudden flash of an image of a salad bar in a restaurant (I don't even know!). Then I felt those vibrations people talk about from the WILD technique - holy hell, that was amazing! But it only lasted a second or so. Then I tried plugging my nose and I could breathe through it! I tried to move out of bed but it was very difficult to move. Eventually I did get up, and I looked back to see if my real body was still in the bed (it wasn't) and went to the bathroom. I tried to make it so that when I opened the bathroom door I would be somewhere else, but that didn't work either. The bathroom did look weird though, it was in the middle of being renovated and had bookshelves full of young adult novels in there. I definitely did the rubbing hands thing, and also plugged my nose again just to make sure. Then I just kinda woke up. I tried to do it again since I didn't have to get up at any particular time today but I was too excited from the dream to fall asleep again. So anyway thank you for this! What an amazing feeling. The most exciting dream I've ever had about going to the bathroom.

Originally Posted by Histopotomus: I registered just to post in this thread and say thanks! I have been trying to lucid dream for only three weeks or so, and had my first lucid dream ever last night thanks to this method. I woke up in the middle of the night naturally, and started cycling through these steps. I definitely lost focus a few times, and at one point I had a sudden flash of an image of a salad bar in a restaurant (I don't even know!). Then I felt those vibrations people talk about from the WILD technique - holy hell, that was amazing! But it only lasted a second or so. Then I tried plugging my nose and I could breathe through it! I tried to move out of bed but it was very difficult to move. Eventually I did get up, and I looked back to see if my real body was still in the bed (it wasn't) and went to the bathroom. I tried to make it so that when I opened the bathroom door I would be somewhere else, but that didn't work either. The bathroom did look weird though, it was in the middle of being renovated and had bookshelves full of young adult novels in there. I definitely did the rubbing hands thing, and also plugged my nose again just to make sure. Then I just kinda woke up. I tried to do it again since I didn't have to get up at any particular time today but I was too excited from the dream to fall asleep again. So anyway thank you for this! What an amazing feeling. The most exciting dream I've ever had about going to the bathroom. -------- A bathroom full of porns? Wow, if that's not exciting then nothing else is, LOL. Congrats!

Originally Posted by MadMonkey: I've seen a lot of people mentioning this method the last couple of days so I thought I would look it up yesterday. I had never really heard of a technique like this and it seemed really interesting so I thought I would try it. Holly cow it worked better than I expected. Just a little background, It takes a lot for me to experience HI or sleep paralysis. That makes it really hard for me to WILD. I woke up at 4:30, wrote down a dream real quick and tried SSILD. The first cycle or two not much seemed to happen. I could hear a high pitched buzzing in my ear and some very subtle imagery. On the third cycle my mind wandered with the beginnings of a dream plot but I caught myself, I knew that was a great sign. On the fifth cycle the HI and buzzing started to get intense. My vision started flashing bright white on and off and the buzzing went along with it light an alarm. I felt vibrations in my body. After it settled down a bit and I thought I might be dreaming already. It was a bit hard to move but the nose plug RC failed. I laid back down and had some very vivid half dreams were I was just watching the imagery. Suddenly I woke all the way back up. I thought it was an FA but I RCed and it wasn't. I just went to sleep quickly like suggested. I can remember the dream from the very beginning even when it was just developing from HI and the plot was unfolding. I was fairly aware even from the beginning. After a little while I had a sudden spontaneous boost of full lucidity. I woke up rather quickly but that was my fault and I didn't really mind because I wanted to be sure to wright it down completely. I'm going to be experimenting a lot with this technique. I don't totally understand why it is so effective at inducing trance states indirectly but It diffidently does. -------- When the HIs and vibrations get intense you should immediately do a nose RC and get up. Do not wait for it to die down because you will likely just wake up as you introduce more rational thoughts into the process. Getting real close!

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Hi CosmicIron. I was wondering if you would consider writing a new SSILD tutorial? Now you have many more people's experiences (including successful and unsuccessful attempts!) that have improved the technique. -------- Yes I've been thinking about that all the time... and that simply tells you how lazy I am, LOL.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: When the HIs and vibrations get intense you should immediately do a nose RC and get up. Do not wait for it to die down because you will likely just wake up as you introduce more rational thoughts into the process. Getting real close! -------- When I tried to rc they were still quite intense but not as much as whent it first started. It was quite hard to move not because of sp but because of the sensory overload. I think I might have been able to breath through my fingers but I was a little confused and thought that ment I was awake. Its hard to tell now. The las few nights I tried it but fell asleep to fast which is unusual for me. Its probably because of the melatonin I was taking for a week before bed. Sense I'm done taking it I should get some more success.

You just ignored me and my question? -------- But seriously, could you please answer it? : Originally Posted by WDr: I'm thinking about combining this technique with a three-seconds alarm going of at night. Why/why not? Is it important to hit a REM period or something? --------:

Originally Posted by WDr: You just ignored me and my question? -------- But seriously, could you please answer it? -------- LOL, no I didn't ignore you, at least it was not my intention. You can use an alarm to wake yourself up as long as you had sufficient amount of sleep prior to that. The general rule of thumb is: 1. If you find it difficult to complete the first two cycles then you either do not have sufficient sleep, or you need to wake up a bit more before you begin the exercise. 2. If your mind does not drift after 4 cycles then you are too awake.

Originally Posted by Bobblehat: Question for cosmic iron: If you do SSILD in the night, go to sleep, have an LD then wake up again but want to try for another LD, should you: A: Just go back to sleep again normally (after doing your DJ etc) B: Do SSILD cycles again (after DJ) C: Something else -------- I'd do a couple more cycles again and then go to sleep. Don't do too many though as you may end up not being able to fall back to sleep.

This technique is correct, but I don't think CosmicIron should take credit for development of it. I see CosmicIron on pretty much every LD website. On ld4all this guy says his first lucid dream was in April, 2012.. I'm sure he has done studies like he claims but makes himself out to be more experienced than actually is. No offense towards CosmicIron, just thought I would put it out there. Thanks for the tutorial though.

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: This technique is correct, but I don't think CosmicIron should take credit for development of it. I see CosmicIron on pretty much every LD website. On ld4all this guy says his first lucid dream was in April, 2012.. I'm sure he has done studies like he claims but makes himself out to be more experienced than actually is. No offense towards CosmicIron, just thought I would put it out there. Thanks for the tutorial though. -------- I'd like to ask you to quote the exact phrase which supposedly is from me that says I had my first LD on April, 2012. The SSILD technique first appeared early last year on the Chinese forum "Baidu Tieba", and was posted by my Chinese online alias "宇宙之铁＂which is the literal translation of "Cosmic Iron". The first version of English translation of SSILD was published on August last year on DV under the title "A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs". It was later refined and renamed to SSILD and was posted first onto LD4all while DV was recovering from the hacker attack. I have no idea where you got your "facts"... You probably meant no offense but this is nonetheless an accusation based on false facts.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: I'd like to ask you to quote the exact phrase which supposedly is from me that says I had my first LD on April, 2012. The SSILD technique first appeared early last year on the Chinese forum "Baidu Tieba", and was posted by my Chinese online alias "宇宙之铁＂which is the literal translation of "Cosmic Iron". The first version of English translation of SSILD was published on August last year on DV under the title "A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs". It was later refined and renamed to SSILD and was posted first onto LD4all while DV was recovering from the hacker attack. I have no idea where you got your "facts"... You probably meant no offense but this is nonetheless an accusation based on false facts. -------- Apologies. Just realized it says "from @lago" but on the left it says cosmic.iron. Then I realized they all say that because that is who started the thread not the replier. "From @Iago 04-01-2012 First LD! I set up an alarm before going to bed, and when I woke up i tried SSILD. It worked, I think I fell asleep during the last cycles. In the dream, I was at an English school (not native here) which my uncle works for as a teacher, in other city. I pinched my nose and noticed I could breathe. I yelled from joy and excitment, I can't remember the words exactly, and started jumping. However, I couldn't transform the dream the way I wanted, I tried to change some girl's face which I had never seen to someone's I used to know, and I began looking for a WritersCube's clock, none succesful. Suddenly I was home, in the city I live, and there were two strange people, one of them related to previous dream events, but I didn't care about the other. The enviroment wasn't vivid, it was fading out. I thought I would really find the dreamclock when my alarm started IRL. I started rubbing my hands, and yelling "I want to stay!", but I woke up anyway. Think it was better that way, because the lucidity would fade out and it would turn to a normal dream again. Now in my memory it looks like a normal dream, but I'm sure I got lucid. Low lucidity. Next time I must remember to take a look at my enviroment, and ask for more realism." My mistake. I also read another thread about how this is similar to "Indirect Techniques" but I read your reply/explanation. You can never be too sure if someone is professional or not on the internet haha. Regards.

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: Apologies. Just realized it says "from @lago" but on the left it says cosmic.iron. Then I realized they all say that because that is who started the thread not the replier. "From @Iago 04-01-2012 First LD! I set up an alarm before going to bed, and when I woke up i tried SSILD. It worked, I think I fell asleep during the last cycles. In the dream, I was at an English school (not native here) which my uncle works for as a teacher, in other city. I pinched my nose and noticed I could breathe. I yelled from joy and excitment, I can't remember the words exactly, and started jumping. However, I couldn't transform the dream the way I wanted, I tried to change some girl's face which I had never seen to someone's I used to know, and I began looking for a WritersCube's clock, none succesful. Suddenly I was home, in the city I live, and there were two strange people, one of them related to previous dream events, but I didn't care about the other. The enviroment wasn't vivid, it was fading out. I thought I would really find the dreamclock when my alarm started IRL. I started rubbing my hands, and yelling "I want to stay!", but I woke up anyway. Think it was better that way, because the lucidity would fade out and it would turn to a normal dream again. Now in my memory it looks like a normal dream, but I'm sure I got lucid. Low lucidity. Next time I must remember to take a look at my enviroment, and ask for more realism." My mistake. I also read another thread about how this is similar to "Indirect Techniques" but I read your reply/explanation. You can never be too sure if someone is professional or not on the internet haha. Regards. -------- Apology accepted, and thanks for the clarification

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: Question, are you supposed to do the cycles until you kinda lose focus and fall asleep unintentionally? or do 4-5 cycles and then try to fall asleep (get into a new postion, etc.)? -------- I have been trying this for like three days and had 2 LDs one night 1 another. It is impossible to say that this was what caused it because I just jumped lucid randomly in my dream, but it seems like it did. Also. I have been doing it planning on doing it like four or five times, but normally forget about it after two cycles. When I remember to do it I just restart.