Senses Initiated Lucid Dream Ssild

Originally Posted by Hunterkiss: Question, are you supposed to do the cycles until you kinda lose focus and fall asleep unintentionally? or do 4-5 cycles and then try to fall asleep (get into a new postion, etc.)? -------- Either is fine. However, if you fall asleep unintentionally it may be a sign that you have not awakened sufficiently, and that will yield less than optimal result.

I had a weird experience today: Woke up after 6 hours of sleep via an alarm at 6AM. Got up to brush my teeth and then went back to sleep with earplugs in. I started doing the cycles, and after two cycles I felt strange vibrations. It felt like the thrumming of a motorboat, very precise, about 4-per-second. They were very soft and if I focused on them they did not increase or decrease. The weird thing is that I was still very awake and had no loss of sensation from my physical body. While it was occurring I thought perhaps I was in the middle of a FA and that I should do a reality check, but did not want to risk it because moving might destroy the vibrations. In the end the vibrations faded and so did my consciousness; I woke up two hours later none the wiser.

Okay, I was going to try it last night, but I ended up sleeping through the whole night. But, I'm gonna try it tonight, I got an account at textmemos.com because it was the only way I could have an alarm that only lasts a few seconds and doesn't require me to get up and turn off (thus spoiling the method with rational thought), and set it to text me at 2:30 am. Wish me luck

Originally Posted by psychoTR2: Okay, I was going to try it last night, but I ended up sleeping through the whole night. But, I'm gonna try it tonight, I got an account at textmemos.com because it was the only way I could have an alarm that only lasts a few seconds and doesn't require me to get up and turn off (thus spoiling the method with rational thought), and set it to text me at 2:30 am. Wish me luck -------- If you have android this will do all you need. Alarm Clock Plus

Originally Posted by Xanous: If you have android this will do all you need. -------- Can't afford it, I've got a 30 dollar Motorola phone. Anyways, so I took a nap at 5:30, had to explain to my dad why I was, since it's not something I usually do. I tried SSILD beforehand, but I wasn't getting tired, so I used a isotone for sleep. I had a dream, but it wasn't lucid, nor an OBE. But, I did wake up at midnight, almost 7 hours later! So I had a deeper sleep for some reason. I had woken up pretty much completely before I thought to do SSILD, and I figured I had spoiled my chances of that working by doing so (had I?), I decided to do a WBTB with isochronic tones, but was unable to sleep with my headphones in. So, I took them out and went to sleep normally, still trying SSILD. I didn't wake up untill 6:50, a few minutes ago. Still, a deep sleep, but nowhere near lucid. I will note, though, that the dreams I've had were more vivid than I've had in a while, and they apparently lasted longer. But, I find myself still unsuccessful with the methods I've tried. Is the fact that I mix methods not gettting me an LD, does it sound like I'm trying too hard?

Originally Posted by psychoTR2: Can't afford it, I've got a 30 dollar Motorola phone. Anyways, so I took a nap at 5:30, had to explain to my dad why I was, since it's not something I usually do. I tried SSILD beforehand, but I wasn't getting tired, so I used a isotone for sleep. I had a dream, but it wasn't lucid, nor an OBE. But, I did wake up at midnight, almost 7 hours later! So I had a deeper sleep for some reason. I had woken up pretty much completely before I thought to do SSILD, and I figured I had spoiled my chances of that working by doing so (had I?), I decided to do a WBTB with isochronic tones, but was unable to sleep with my headphones in. So, I took them out and went to sleep normally, still trying SSILD. I didn't wake up untill 6:50, a few minutes ago. Still, a deep sleep, but nowhere near lucid. I will note, though, that the dreams I've had were more vivid than I've had in a while, and they apparently lasted longer. But, I find myself still unsuccessful with the methods I've tried. Is the fact that I mix methods not gettting me an LD, does it sound like I'm trying too hard? -------- If you can't fall back to sleep then you are trying too hard. Provide me with more details on how you actually performed the technique so I can help you analyze.

Originally Posted by psychoTR2: Well, I wake up, I analyze any sensations on my body, look at any lights I see with my eyes closed, and listen to any buzzing in my ears. The thing is, though, that I can't seem to stay still or keep my eyes closed when I wake up, so is this impeding me? -------- You are not supposed to stay still upon waking up as this is not a DEILD technique, although if you can do it it's certainly helpful. Also, if you meant staying still or trying to keep your eyes close DURING the exercise, then you are definitely not doing it correctly. The key is to be comfortable and relaxed. It is perfectly okay to move while doing SSILD, just make up by doing one more cycles. Another suggestion is to do the cycles in shorter intervals in the begining as it will help you relax more quickly. As you go deeper into the trance, you will more likely to notice various sensations without too much difficulty. Whereas if you focus too much in the begining you may end up adding stress and even risk losing sleep.

This has been giving me some success. I found that cycling faster at the beginning helps me a lot. I eventually slow down but I started keeping my awareness on the visual part constant while I cycled hearing and touch. Sometimes I had all 3 in awareness. I kept it going way longer than I intended and actually triggered an unintentional WILD. I think I will keep this one in my routine. EDIT: BTW I think I should mention I DID do this at the start of bed time and I DID WILD at the start of bedtime. However, It wasn't the best of LDs so I would recommend WBTB first. But don't ever say something WILL NOT work. We are all different.

Originally Posted by Xanous: This has been giving me some success. I found that cycling faster at the beginning helps me a lot. I eventually slow down but I started keeping my awareness on the visual part constant while I cycled hearing and touch. Sometimes I had all 3 in awareness. I kept it going way longer than I intended and actually triggered an unintentional WILD. I think I will keep this one in my routine. EDIT: BTW I think I should mention I DID do this at the start of bed time and I DID WILD at the start of bedtime. However, It wasn't the best of LDs so I would recommend WBTB first. But don't ever say something WILL NOT work. We are all different. -------- You are right. We are all very different. On our forum there is this guy who could always succeed, easily, with SSILD, upon first landing on the bed. To date he already registered more than a hundred LDs/OBEs, and that's within less than a year. EDIT: I should also mention that he does this with his wife sleeping in his arms...

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: You are right. We are all very different. On our forum there is this guy who could always succeed, easily, with SSILD, upon first landing on the bed. To date he already registered more than a hundred LDs/OBEs, and that's within less than a year. EDIT: I should also mention that he does this with his wife sleeping in his arms... -------- Wife sleeping in arms is what has been letting me WILD/DEILD and still keep consciousness. I recommend it. :

Okay can't believe it guys it worked! I had a lucid dream... first on in months!! I am surprised it worked because my husband was snoring in my ear and then my son woke up with a nightmare while I was doing it... then I couldn't fall asleep forever. Well I remembered what was said about it causing false awakenings so I did the noseplug method whenever I "woke" Two times I did realize I was dreaming when I was in my bed and could still breath with my nose plugged. I tried to get up and I woke.. I still could not sleep, then I ended up doing another noseplug and realized I was dreaming again this time I was able to get up from my bed. I had a ten minute lucid dream... I floated in the air, walked around my neighborhood naked, went inside a giant hollow tree and made some things levitate. After that I decided to wake myself up because I don't have great dream recall yet and I wanted to write it all down. I am exhausted today and feel like I didn't get any sleep but I'm really excited I finally found an easy method that works for me. Thanks!!

Originally Posted by CosmicIron: You are right. We are all very different. On our forum there is this guy who could always succeed, easily, with SSILD, upon first landing on the bed. To date he already registered more than a hundred LDs/OBEs, and that's within less than a year. EDIT: I should also mention that he does this with his wife sleeping in his arms... -------- Who is this guy you speak of? Is he a Dream Views member or another forum? I would really like to ask him some questions. BTW I didn't mean to come across as hostile in my previous post. I'm always worried about that after the fact

Originally Posted by Xanous: Who is this guy you speak of? Is he a Dream Views member or another forum? I would really like to ask him some questions. BTW I didn't mean to come across as hostile in my previous post. I'm always worried about that after the fact -------- He is not on this forum but I'm very familiar with his routine since he keeps his progress in very detailed logs on our forum and we stay in close touch. So basically you can just ask me and I can always forward your question to him in case I don't already know the answer. I didn't find any of your previous posts hostile so no worries.

Evening, i have question to the OP, coz im not sure i understand the exercise totally correctly. So when i start the practise, first i try to see things flashes(i can most of the time),after this try to hear ringing,buzzing in my ears?And the third one?I need to feel my palm/finger(and the other bodyparts) touches the bed as im lying on the bed? How long need to do 1 of the 3?And after the first(15-20secs?) go to the second and 3rd?

Ok, i found the answeres for my questions after reading couple of pages at ld4all.Someone asked the same things as i wanted to, and there he got answeres. By the way i tried this 3 times, once for 'go to bed' time, once after wake up naturally in the mid of the night, and once after half an hour i got up in the mourning.Couple notes and more questions. No lucidities yet, but when i woke up first time at night, i felt something wierd.No lucids but it seemed to me, i was more awake in my dream at night than in the regulars.Hard to say sorry When i've tried couple hours ago, i was wide awake, but i go to bed again.I found with this tech is extremely easy to relax, and go deeper and deeper very soon. But im not sure i do the 'body scan' part correctly.I try to notice if my bodyparts have a wierd feeling. and then i imagine to move my legs arms head, another position.Is that right? I have not problem with the other two ,(try) to seeing flashes, and hear voices.If i can see(not vivid pictures, just yellow flashes) may i go through to the next step after half a minute? And about the hearing thing.If im at dead quiet places, i always hear in my ears ringing.Is this ok?I concentrate to hear it more and more, and it takes no effort to me at all Interesting thing, i have had no chance to turn into lucid after i go back to bed after 6 hours of sleep.I did the cycles, and fell asleep, and my timing was right, coz i slep 1 hour and started with a dream, but no lucid. Hope u all understand what i wanted to say. Oh and forgot to mention, i tried in the past couple days to wake up without open my eyes, and not moving at all, without success.But this night and mourning i could do that.So it is usuful for those who wanted to practise the waking up without any move for deild too. I wake up 3 times and did that all 3 times.I dont know is it because of this tech, but it seems it helps for this too.At least suspicious.

Originally Posted by itsok: Ok, i found the answeres for my questions after reading couple of pages at ld4all.Someone asked the same things as i wanted to, and there he got answeres. By the way i tried this 3 times, once for 'go to bed' time, once after wake up naturally in the mid of the night, and once after half an hour i got up in the mourning.Couple notes and more questions. No lucidities yet, but when i woke up first time at night, i felt something wierd.No lucids but it seemed to me, i was more awake in my dream at night than in the regulars.Hard to say sorry When i've tried couple hours ago, i was wide awake, but i go to bed again.I found with this tech is extremely easy to relax, and go deeper and deeper very soon. But im not sure i do the 'body scan' part correctly.I try to notice if my bodyparts have a wierd feeling. and then i imagine to move my legs arms head, another position.Is that right? I have not problem with the other two ,(try) to seeing flashes, and hear voices.If i can see(not vivid pictures, just yellow flashes) may i go through to the next step after half a minute? And about the hearing thing.If im at dead quiet places, i always hear in my ears ringing.Is this ok?I concentrate to hear it more and more, and it takes no effort to me at all Interesting thing, i have had no chance to turn into lucid after i go back to bed after 6 hours of sleep.I did the cycles, and fell asleep, and my timing was right, coz i slep 1 hour and started with a dream, but no lucid. Hope u all understand what i wanted to say. Oh and forgot to mention, i tried in the past couple days to wake up without open my eyes, and not moving at all, without success.But this night and mourning i could do that.So it is usuful for those who wanted to practise the waking up without any move for deild too. I wake up 3 times and did that all 3 times.I dont know is it because of this tech, but it seems it helps for this too.At least suspicious. -------- The most important part to remember with this tech is this -- do NOT expect it to work WHILE you are doing it. If during the exercise you get strange sensations that's great, and if you go straight into LDs from it well that's even better! However, you should always consider that as moments of luck, and learn not to pursue them. Having said all that, there will be times which you encounter intense imagery, sounds, body sensations, and kinesthetic illusions. When those do happen, you should stop cycling and focus on observing the sensation without getting excited. You can also try pushing them a little bit mentally to make them more intense, but do not do it too eagerly. It is fine to hear ringing noises when quiet. Actually you WANT to hear that! As for feeling the body, there is no set rules. You can focus on just some parts like your hands, feet, etc., or you can scan your body head to toe. Again, if you don't feel anything unusual that's perfectly okay! Another advise I like to give -- do the first few cycles more quickly then slow down gradually. When you just begin cycling, your mind and boy are not yet ready; therefore no matter how much attention you focus you still won't feel anything and if you keep on forcing it you create tension which is no good. After a few quick cycles though, you begin to get closer to the trance. At this point you will find it has become much easier for you to observe the various sensations without much effort! As for this method helping you stay still upon waking up, I'd say your observation is correct. SSILD is good at producing realistic FAs so basically these moments which you think you have awakened are indeed FAs! Because they are FAs they are much easier to deal with -- even if you forgot to stay still for some brief moments you still will be fine!

ty, maybe i missed a nose plug RC while those awakenings, if it was FAs Good to mention to do the first couple cycles shorter, i didnt pay attention for it.But i can hear the slight ringing noise in my ears, right after i close my eyes. I tried to dont pay attention for it, when i do the body scan, or the (try) seeing flashes.I focuse on the ringing only when i am at that step.

Think so. But i tried this tech the last 3 days when i went to bed first time too.And then again when i woke up in the night, and/or in the mourning. I did this this mourning after 5 hours of sleep, when i woke up, get out of bed, breakfast,cigarettes, and went back to bed, then starting the exercise of the ssild.I did the cycles about 4-5 times, and fell asleep.I think i woke up, with massive body sensation i was vibrating ly or something.It was enaugh.But i did the nose rc and failed Then i fell asleep again, and get 1 hour of sleep with non lucid dream.

Originally Posted by itsok: Think so. But i tried this tech the last 3 days when i went to bed first time too.And then again when i woke up in the night, and/or in the mourning. I did this this mourning after 5 hours of sleep, when i woke up, get out of bed, breakfast,cigarettes, and went back to bed, then starting the exercise of the ssild.I did the cycles about 4-5 times, and fell asleep.I think i woke up, with massive body sensation i was vibrating ly or something.It was enaugh.But i did the nose rc and failed Then i fell asleep again, and get 1 hour of sleep with non lucid dream. -------- During the vibration stage, the ability to move your dream body instead of the physical body in fact is, a skill, which can be trained and improved. When in deep trance and SP, whenever you move it's likely you are moving your dream body. However, there will be times when you are sort of in the middle, between things. In this case, if your focus/awareness is on the physicals then you move your real body; on the other hand, if you focus on the dream side then you can move your dream body. I can this Focus Point of Awareness. As you become better at shifting this focus point, it is not impossible to shift it while being wide awake, without going into sleeps first at all. There is a post about this, let me see if I can find it for you... Ok here it is: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/theory...4/#post1930739 Next time you are in the trance, don't abruptly move to do RCs. Instead, try to feel the subtle dream hand -- it is very light and can be moved without physical effort, and slowly raise it to reach for your nose. This will increase the chance to succeed with the RC as well as helping you shift the focus to the dream.

Hi all This tech is really do something, i've had a False awakening this mourning.I did not RCed haha..I know for sure that was FA coz, when i woke up IRL, i remembered i met somewho in my room after get up. Honestly i was surprised the tech almost drive me into success, coz i've problems the last two days in my case while doing the exercise.I feel my legs very nervous, and this is not a sign to roll over, coz i feel it right after a lay down.I'm sure you all know what i mean with this feeling.It's like u wanna shake ur legs, or kick in the air couple times, becouse ur legs are nervous. This is terrible for the SSILD cycles, becouse 1,U wanna finish the cycles soon, and roll over to your side to fall asleep 2, your mind wont wondering couz the feelings in your leg disturb you. But surprisingly a had a FA anyway.I did couple times the cycles, and it looked not too good while doing that, coz my mind didnt wondered, and didnt poped up random thoughts,And I had not to go back to to cycles in mind, coz didnt wondered even once. I dont know why appered this problem with my legs, i had no problem the first couple days when i tried this tech about a week ago.Hope it will desappear, coz doing the cycles is uncomfortable in the last two days.