Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (Ssild) Ld4All

ShaneTheShaman wrote: Just one question, when you say to scan your body, do you mean to stay in a still position and feel the senses on your hands and toes, or do you actually wiggle your toes and move your hands? ------- Actually you can do either. Wiggling will probably create better result, but may wake you too much. You need to find what best suits you thebotanyofsouls wrote: fun fact: that meditative exercise, applied for 10 years straight and using increasingly smaller focus points, was how the Buddha finally attained enlightenment - it's called vipassana meditation, and is very useful for beginning and experienced meditators alike. ------- That's very interesting! I need to check that out!

thaifly wrote: So my question is: does this technique require you to lie on your back / does it loose its effectiveness if lying on your side or stomach? For some reason I only expect to get into SP while lying on my back. Thanks.SPs do not always occur when using SILD so don't fear too much -- it might be a different experience next time. As for your question, it doesn't matter what position you use to sleep. Just use one that's comfortable, but not so comfortable that you fall asleep right away without completing at least a few cycles. Rhewin wrote: I finally used this properly and had success with it. After waking up a second time I was able to easily induce a WILD as HI came on during the vision part. ------- Glad it worked, Rhewin. Your observation makes a lot of sense. I look forward to hear more your feedbacks.

Spiering98 wrote: Does it work to if you have a nap before you go to sleep cause i don 't think i can set my alarm just for a chance to have a LD cause it will make everbody angry but i might try it if i wake up in the night after 4 hours (which i most of the time do). and can i do it to if i'm not tired at night? ------- I personally never use an alarm since I always need to get up for the bathroom at night. So yes, you can do this any time you get up at night naturally. Not too sure about your question regarding the nap... Do you mind re-phrase your question?

It seems all of the above questions share something in common -- not being able to fall asleep after the reps, therefore I will provide the answer in one single post. Being unable to fall asleep easily after the repetitions is a common problem encountered by inexperienced users of the SILD technique, there are several possible causes: 1. False Awakening. No I'm not kidding. What you are experiencing could well be an FA and this is very common after doing SILD. You basically just lay there trying to fall asleep while you are already asleep. One way to work around this is to do additional repetitions when you find you are unable to sleep. Assuming you are in an FA, or sometimes a light trance, then the cycling technique will usually result in very apparent HIs, ringing sounds, vibrations, or other effects. When the effects occur you can simple do an RA, and then roll out of the bed to begin an OBE. 2. You are focusing too much on producing the effects/sensations while doing the reps. Remember, WILD and OBE are by products of SILD. They should not be sought after. When you do the cycles, do NOT expect anything will happen. You should focus on losing focus. That's the right way to do SILD. 3. Rational thoughts entering the mind while doing the cycles. It's fine to let your mind drift to other things, but you should NEVER analyize what you are doing! Oh, do NOT count either. You don't want precision! 4. Deliberately trying to relax. Remember, SILD is very much a self hypnosis tool, so you should rely on that to put you into sleep. Don't mix in any relaxation techniques befor or after! And certainly do not attempt to stay relaxed during the repetitions. You just get comfortable, and leave the relaxation part to the technique. 5. Interruption. This is the single biggest killer. If you are repeatedly interrupted, whether by sudden noises, discomforts, or others, you should seize doing the exercise and go to sleep right away. You can always do it again later, so do not force it. I hope this explains it. Oh, thank you all for joining the experiment!

gemini.moon wrote:Any advice on what I should do differently? ------- 1. Sounds to me you are falling asleep way too fast, LOL. I suggest you to either get up after six hours sleep or stay awake for at least 5-10 minutes before you start SILD. 2. The sensation you felt is the typical phenomenon experienced when your body attempts to fall asleep when it detects long period of immobility. When you stay immobile for a while, your body, assuming it is sufficiently tird, will attempt to go to sleep. In order to make sure your mind is already asleep (as a safety measure perhaps), the body sends out a very signal literally shouting "I'm uncomfortable!". If you respond to it by rolling or other movement then your body will seize to go to sleep; otherwise you body falls asleep and you experience some very strange sensations as it does that. This is in fact a very effective way to WILD but it requires an iron will and takes a long time to accomplish. When the above happens, it's always a good indication that you are doing SILD in a wrong way. SILD does not require you to stay still. You should be as comfortable as possible! If you feel an itch, just scratch it. If you want to roll, do it! Just do a couple of extra repetitions to compensate for the interruption will be enough.

jordangamevi wrote: I am new to LDs and have only been experimenting for about 5 days now, this techniques was the first to work for me and works everytime, i think its because it takes me a while to fall asleep and my mind wonders for a long time every night before I eventually fall asleep. The problem im having however is that when i do start dreaming, I get so caught up in the dreams because they are so vivid, that i completely forget to do RCs or even realise im dreaming to become lucid. When i wake up i can remember the dreams vividly and recall Dream Signs but i cant become lucid in them, basically i haven't gotten to that "This is a dream" moment yet even though i try to convince myself before attempting LDs Any suggestions? ------- In order to realize that you are dreaming, you need to bring more waking consciousness into your dream. SILD alone may not be able to do that. I suggest you combine the exercise with a WBTB routine. For example, wake up after having slept for 5 hours, stay awake for 10 minutes, then go back to bed.

gemini.moon wrote: I've been trying this a lot lately, and I still have problems because I fall asleep way too quickly. I get up and will be wide awake, but the moment I start the technique I fall asleep within the first few seconds. What can I do to fix this? ------- Are you doing WBTB?