Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (Ssild) Part Ii Ld4All

Just for the record, I've had an easier time with WBTB using SILD. 2 LD's now in as many weeks, which is improvement from my dry spell. When I didn't use SILD last night I had zero recall. Again, it's that little bit of awareness that I think really helps. Cheers Current LD goal(s): Defeat Xander in our lucid duel!

Rhewin wrote: Again, it's that little bit of awareness that I think really helps. ------- I agree. I've only been able to remember SILD when I wake up and MILD back to sleep... and I've been falling asleep quickly so I don't even get to the hearing part but it still seems to help bring some more awareness into the dream. I should remember to do at least one or two full cycles on my back, where it's more unlikely I'll just fall asleep.

cosmic.iron, Yes, it is quite different.I practised as taught by Mr Raduga and also achieved good results .Once I had a LD and on other occasion I tried concentrating on the noise and then I reached a point where the sound turned like that of a roaring jet.The main problem was waking in between night without opening your eyes and not moving at all.Mr Raduga suggests that to do this technique perfectly you shouldn't move at all not even your eyes.I generally wake up with an alarm and I have to move a bit to shut it off. I don't have an alarm that shuts off automatically and I'm too lazy to buy one now LOL.In-spite of achieving good results I found it very difficult to do this technique with all the prerequisites. Although Mr Raduga says that you can still do this technique if you move but the results weren't that great when you move too much. The way you describe your version of the technique it doesn't require you to stay still as soon as you wake up and from the results people are getting I'm looking forward to this technique with great expectations and I thank you for introducing it here.I understood your technique but I would appreciate if you give an algorithm of actions someone who practices should use.What I mean is step by step instructions after waking in middle of night. Current LD goal(s): Travel

-Dreamcatcher- wrote:The way you describe your version of the technique it doesn't require you to stay still as soon as you wake up and from the results people are getting I'm looking forward to this technique with great expectations and I thank you for introducing it here.I understood your technique but I would appreciate if you give an algorithm of actions someone who practices should use.What I mean is step by step instructions after waking in middle of night. ------- Dear Dreamcatcher, The SILD method was initially based on my own customized WILD routine, which given years of practice has enabled me to WILD at will. It was almost identical to Michael's technique plus a few extras. In the beginning we simply wanted to create a streamlined version of this WILD routine, but several revisions later we came to a very important realization -- it simply works better if we DON'T treat it as a WILD technique! Before I get ahead of myself, lets look at Michael's method first. You were correct that the hardest part of that method is remembering to stay completely still upon awakening. In fact, if you finally manage to do this you hardly need any technique at all. Another problem is the method being very demanding on the proper mind/body condition at the time of the execution. Given the right condition, it is not impossible to have a successful WILD within minutes, even seconds! However, when the condition is not perfect, for example, when you are rather wide awake, the method will unlikely do you any good. You can try wiggle your fingers without using muscle but that will feel genuinely fake. You then move on to stare behind your eyelids but you will see nothing but blackness. You then try squeezing your brain but that simply feel weird... Let's face it, how are you supposed to squeeze your brain? Of course, all of these become very easy and real when you are in the phase or are on the edge of a phase, but the exercise itself is not really designed to move you toward the phase. In fact, the amount of concentration demanded by the exercise will often leave you wide awake! Now let's look at SILD. Like Michael's technique, if you use SILD when you are in the proper mind/body condition, the cycling procedures will very likely result in rapid entry into the phase. However, since it is not a WILD technique, we don't care so much about producing immediate effect! Being able to WILD is a bonus, not a must. Thus, we do the cycling routines regardless of whether they cause any sensations to occur. Here we see a fundamental difference between the two methods -- where Michael's method requires focus, SILD requires un-focus. With SILD it is fair to say that the only thing you should focus on is how to quickly lose focus. You want to cycle through the senses in the laziest manner. You want to lose count. You want to forget where you are. You want to drag this on and on... Essentially you just want to fall asleep so much you give up on doing the exercise, which is perfect. SILD then works its magic after you fall asleep. You may suddenly wake up again, due to the motion caused by the cycling, and instead of awakening into reality you end up going into a phase because SILD has already prepared your mind and body into the proper condition. If you combine SILD with WBTB, then your chance of becoming aware within your dreams is greatly increased because the routine somehow is pretty good at messaging that little bit of awareness into your dreams, as noticed by Rhwin. As for your question, I suggest that upon waking up at night, you can immediately do a few rounds of SILD. This may lead you into a phase, but as I said you should not expect it. Better treat it as warmups. After 5 or 6 hours of sleep you will want to get up, stay awake for 5 to 10 minutes then go back to bed to do SILD. You may want to do a few extra cycles if you don't immediately feel sleepy. Remember, if you find yourself becoming more awake after doing SILD then you are apparently doing it incorrectly! I hope this helps Good luck and happy lucid dreaming!

Ok, I understood.The point of the technique is to do the cycles but to do it lazily so one could fall asleep. 1.Wake up 4 to 5 hrs. later 2.Stay awake for 5 to 10 minutes. (BTW , Do you recommend being drowsy or completely awake?) 3.Perform cycles while trying to fall asleep deliberately. Current LD goal(s): Travel

Quote: The itch is also very likely an illusion. This may happen if you stay completely still. Your body uses this as a probe to see if you are truly asleep. There is a technique on DV that takes advantage of this, but it is extremely hard. The probing becomes so intense that most people just give up. ------- Oh so that's what that crazy itch is about. Thanks for clearing that up! I'd be interested to see that technique. Could you post the name or a link? Thanks for the great posts! Current LD goal(s): 1) Increase Dream Recall to an Acute Level 2) practice WILD nightly

flo148ebb wrote: Quote: The itch is also very likely an illusion. This may happen if you stay completely still. Your body uses this as a probe to see if you are truly asleep. There is a technique on DV that takes advantage of this, but it is extremely hard. The probing becomes so intense that most people just give up. ------- Oh so that's what that crazy itch is about. Thanks for clearing that up! I'd be interested to see that technique. Could you post the name or a link? Thanks for the great posts! ------- I can't find that article on DV anymore... It is very simple anyway. Just stay absolutely still and in 20 minutes or so the probing sensation will occur. Do not move during the probe then after it passes you enter into the dream consciously. this is simple but hard to accomplish. People often run into swallowing issues... But when it does work it is very exciting!

AJ wrote: Hollddupp... I want to try SILD, but will I hallucinate like WILD? Like, do I go into SP? Don't I just fall back asleep with SILD? I'm so confused. I hope it's not like WILD with hallucinations ------- It depends. Normally there will be no hallucinations -- just finish the cycles and go back to sleep, and expect phase entrance or DILD to occur later. However, if you work on each of the 3 steps aggressively, and given the right mind/body condition, it is still possible to experience many strange sensations including viberations, HIs, ringing noises, etc. My suggestion is that you should learn to deal with these, as they will be common in your journey of lucid dreaming. Learn to enjoy them -- they are fantastic experiences! Below is an unique experience recorded by one of the SSILD users on another forum: I just finished a Phase session where I used your cycling technique. In about 5 minutes I felt my physical focus waning. Then the strangest thing happened. I was was doing step 3 (which is to notice any strange body sensations) and all of a sudden I had a full vision of my body. It was dark in the area and I was kind of like outlined in white energy. Then something that looked like a "pac-man" head started to gobble my toes and work it's way up my leg, it did the same to the other leg and kept going higher. Piece by piece my physical body was being devoured. There was no pain or gore, since my body was just an outline. The sensation was incredible, the next thing I know my entire body is gone and I am in a land with the most vivid scenery and colors I have been too yet. The sensations of watching my body disappearing and then leaving me as just "total 100% conscious energy" was the most exhilarating I have ever had. The mental picture of this really drove that point home.

cosmic.iron wrote:No pnl, you should keep eyes closed through the entire exercise------- so for 15-20 sec you are trying to see the images and the next 15-20 the sounds, and you are doing this again and again right? sorry for my bad enlgish (thats why i didnt understand the technique) im going to try it tonight! Current LD goal(s): master WILD

pnl wrote: cosmic.iron wrote:No pnl, you should keep eyes closed through the entire exercise------- so for 15-20 sec you are trying to see the images and the next 15-20 the sounds, and you are doing this again and again right? sorry for my bad enlgish (thats why i didnt understand the technique) im going to try it tonight! ------- Yeah that's pretty much it

After a 15 minute WBTB last night I tried SILD and even though I didn't fall asleep right away I had a really hard time concentrating (I did get lucid though, very short as usual...). My mind just wanders so easily sometimes, it seems I couldn't even finish the first part without getting lost

First LD! I set up an alarm before going to bed, and when I woke up i tried SSILD. It worked, I think I fell asleep during the last cycles. In the dream, I was at an English school (not native here) which my uncle works for as a teacher, in other city. I pinched my nose and noticed I could breathe. I yelled from joy and excitment, I can't remember the words exactly, and started jumping. However, I couldn't transform the dream the way I wanted, I tried to change some girl's face which I had never seen to someone's I used to know, and I began looking for a WritersCube's clock, none succesful. Suddenly I was home, in the city I live, and there were two strange people, one of them related to previous dream events, but I didn't care about the other. The enviroment wasn't vivid, it was fading out. I thought I would really find the dreamclock when my alarm started IRL. I started rubbing my hands, and yelling "I want to stay!", but I woke up anyway. Think it was better that way, because the lucidity would fade out and it would turn to a normal dream again. Now in my memory it looks like a normal dream, but I'm sure I got lucid. Low lucidity. Next time I must remember to take a look at my enviroment, and ask for more realism. I remember other three dreams from this night. And if you got confused with the alarm thing, yes, I set it up to play at two distinct times during the night. Current LD goal(s): To increase awareness.

pnl wrote: do you openn your eyes between the 15-20 sec with close eyes? ------- No pnl, you should keep eyes closed through the entire exercise lago wrote: First LD! ------- Congratulations. Next time upon becoming lucid remember not get too excited. Do some stabilization routines first -- rubbing hands, crawling on floor, shouting, and etc.

mattias wrote: My mind just wanders so easily sometimes,.. ------- I realize I have that problem as well. As soon as I notice my thoughts are beginning to get random, I force my mind back to the routine. Current LD goal(s): Have an adventure, have a conversation with DCs

About to take a nap using this technique, will post the results! EDIT: (After the nap) Well, it felt like it was working pretty well, I did a couple repetitions then tried to WILD and got closer than I ever have before. When I fell asleep, though, I woke up without any recollection of my dreams, so I don't know what the verdict was. Current LD goal(s): Kill a giant snail monster with an arrow covered in salt

this method, regardless of its original intention (LDing), is such a good method for people struggling with insomnia for sure! it only takes me 1, maybe 2 cycles to doze off... it's really hard to complete this few times haha Current LD goal(s): Being able to frequently have quality LDs

Innhyu wrote: this method, regardless of its original intention (LDing), is such a good method for people struggling with insomnia for sure! it only takes me 1, maybe 2 cycles to doze off... it's really hard to complete this few times haha ------- LOL, yeah it really is a form of self-hypnosis I guess.

Ok, I have theory why is this technique working, at least for me. So when I do this tech I wake up for WBTB. Stay awake for 5 - 10 minutes then I'm back in bed. I start doing technique. After 3 repetitions I still don't see anything or hear or feel on my body, at least nothing special or uncommon for laying in a bed. Sometimes and only sometimes in 4th and 5th repetition I may see something or hear something but that's very rarely! And I think that's just the way that technique should work. In my opinion that's perfect because we were "forcing" ourselves to pay attention on our 3 most useful "sensors" very intensely for 2 - 3 minutes. After that the point of technique is to fall asleep quickly as possible. I believe that's because as we were paying attention in those 3 steps nothing significant happened but when we fall asleep fast and by concentrating on our sensors that's last we remember - nothing and as we enter the dream all those sensor become active and stimulated so from nothing to something extraordinary can and will induce lucidity... At least that's how this tech works for me... Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#

Had 2 LDs last night, using SSILD, even though I couldn't concentrate very much. I think I have to work on my lucidity now, as I'm not paying attention to things and can't control them in the dream. Thank you for the technique. ;D Current LD goal(s): To increase awareness.