Lding Is Not Supernatural, There Are No Shadow Men. Its Jus

People love to come up with spiritual explanations for a simple scientific one. That is human ignorance and imagination that has been invoked since the time of Zeus. The believe in shadow people, or lucid dreaming having to do with spiritual connection, was silly at best, and not supported by evidence at worst. I *know* the evidence suggests that Shadow people are just images the brain throws up when your falling asleep, to lull you into a hypotonic sleeping state. I *know* there is no rational explanation for shadow people. And I *know* that our dreams are constructions of our mind in the most literal sense, and thus not spiritual. The only thing I will give you, is I don't know if the realm of consciousness when we lucid dream is any less real then when we are in waking life. As the mind is set to make reality in waking life, just as it does in our dream. But it is sure as heck obvious that if anything is a figment of imagination, then shadow men are, just as much as our dreams. It is dishonest to pretend as if any rational explanation of the lucid dreaming process would point to shadow people being something real in connection with the waking day world. When there is nothing at all to suggest that shadow people and spirituality have anything to do with the lucid dream world, other then confusion about the way the brain works when it is falling asleep. Shadow people are as real as your imagination, its not, and the only thing that you could even attempt to say is that our minds in the waking day world might make reality much like a dream world is made, and thus, shadow people are a real thing your mind imagines, but they are not real in connection with reality as human experience it from a Newtonian point of view. Or in other words, shadow people are not real, lucid dream is not a spiritual thing, and the closet to real you can make thing sound is an assumption that reality in the waking world is made by our minds, and since shadow people are made by our minds, it is real, but only real in the sense of the imaginary world within our heads, and not within waking day reality that we all experience day in and day out when we are awake.

You are not helping anyone by spouting some silly nonsense and telling people to mediate. This is science, not spirituality. You are not thinking with any part of your brain. There is no shadow people, this is not some spiritual plan, all evidence and common sense says this is just straight up biology of the brain.

You don't seem to care much about evidence. All evidence points to lucid dreaming being a natural phenomena that has to due with the biology of our brains, with that said, LD's are not some supernatural spirit world filled with angles and demons from heaven and hell, and shadow people are just our brains calling up images to trick us into sleep or are caused by such said tricks.

Right.... When I was a child, and would enter SP, I thought I had a mental issue or something. As I got older, I grew more informed of the sleeping process, and began to guess SP was a natural thing that happened. Research showed me that the body does instead freeze itself when it sleeps, that same resource mentioned lucid dreaming, and thus I researched that, using direct testing as well as reading others input.

Save me the bitter attitude you got. I don't have time for 17 year olds. If someone believes Zeus is throwing lighting at them, because they almost got hit by lighting, and they connect that to cheating on their wife, then ya, id say it is important to shoot down their "symbolic interpretation", because all evidence suggests ITS NOT TRUE. And if it does not effect the outside world? Still id say its more important to point out all evidence suggests ITS NOT TRUE. Living in ignorance only makes more ignorance.

You are suggesting that a lucid dream is whatever you believe? That is hog-wash. Okay, then, I believe you are flamingo... Now tell me, are you sprouting pink feathers yet? I did not think so. Lucid dream can form anything you want, but a lucid dream is a phenomena, and one with a likely rational explanation, you cant just make up things and pretend its true just because you want, and then get upset when someone points out that your explanation is clearly defying the evidence and logic of reality.

Fools always get bitter when someone points out how these delusional fantasy of a spirit world has no evidence. You are no different then one of these morons from the time of ancient Greece that believe in the sun god or the god of the hunt. Move along moron, you embarrassed yourself enough for 1 day.

No, I have never experienced anything "spiritual"... This is just a dream we can control, there is nothing to suggest that this is some sort of spirit world, or connection to another dimension. There is nothing to support the idea that this is some "different world" we are transported to, or have anything to do with our "souls" or spirit folk, or shadow men, or anything like that. the evidence suggests what my OP said, that's it. And no, I have never experienced anything remotely spiritual in a LD, that's because ITS JUST A DREAM. One that I can control and live in, due to my mind making the world around me. More so then the other world my mind makes, that we are both in now, that we share.