Lding Is Not Supernatural, There Are No Shadow Men. Its Jus

Yeah it's really annoying because I like to read about alien shit and everyone is like "woah i was about to fall asleep and they came in my room!"

NO BRUH, BINAURAL BEATS!

> your mind makes hypnotic images hypnagogic, you idiot

Haha. Right.

Do you have a degree with anything involving neurology?

You realise biology was once upon a time philosophy? It is all still based on theories and ideas and is only considered a science because experiments were performed to validate certain claims. It is still every bit magic we only have fancy science terms to back up what we know but at the end of the day, what we know is all just made up by people like you and I.

LDing is neurology not biology you pleb. /s

Yes and biology is from....? biology is only the language.

How did you know?

There is evidence to back it up, we can see our brain firing neurons to make dreams.

There is no evidence to support that we are more sensitive to other dimensions. People are spout that this is some extra-dimensional or spirit world have nothing to support, and are being foolish.

I thoroughly agree with this, it's like being afraid of the dark. Of coursge any rational adult knows that there is nothing to be afraid of, but when you're walking in a dark room, you are the man who walks alone. I know there isn't actually a someone waiting somewhere outside my window, but goddamn it, that knocking is far too rythmic and insistent to be my imagination...

Wait. Who's shadow man? Is this a black ops 3 Zombies reference? Or are we talking about the hallucinations in SP. What if shadow man is real Damn I'm scared now

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That's the thing - to your mind/senses they ARE real. The effects dreaming produces are nearly the same as if you were experiencing the event while awake. It's why it feels so real even though you know it doesn't actually exist. This is taken from the book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming > The experiments just reviewed supported the conclusion that the events you experience while asleep and > dreaming produce effects on your brain (and, to a lesser extent, your body) much the same as if you were to > experience the corresponding events while awake.

Well written, I wholeheartedly agree

I agree completely. We must stay open to the mystery of consciousness. To think we have it all figured out is foolish.

People love to come up with spiritual explanations for a simple scientific one. That is human ignorance and imagination that has been invoked since the time of Zeus. The believe in shadow people, or lucid dreaming having to do with spiritual connection, was silly at best, and not supported by evidence at worst. I *know* the evidence suggests that Shadow people are just images the brain throws up when your falling asleep, to lull you into a hypotonic sleeping state. I *know* there is no rational explanation for shadow people. And I *know* that our dreams are constructions of our mind in the most literal sense, and thus not spiritual. The only thing I will give you, is I don't know if the realm of consciousness when we lucid dream is any less real then when we are in waking life. As the mind is set to make reality in waking life, just as it does in our dream. But it is sure as heck obvious that if anything is a figment of imagination, then shadow men are, just as much as our dreams. It is dishonest to pretend as if any rational explanation of the lucid dreaming process would point to shadow people being something real in connection with the waking day world. When there is nothing at all to suggest that shadow people and spirituality have anything to do with the lucid dream world, other then confusion about the way the brain works when it is falling asleep. Shadow people are as real as your imagination, its not, and the only thing that you could even attempt to say is that our minds in the waking day world might make reality much like a dream world is made, and thus, shadow people are a real thing your mind imagines, but they are not real in connection with reality as human experience it from a Newtonian point of view. Or in other words, shadow people are not real, lucid dream is not a spiritual thing, and the closet to real you can make thing sound is an assumption that reality in the waking world is made by our minds, and since shadow people are made by our minds, it is real, but only real in the sense of the imaginary world within our heads, and not within waking day reality that we all experience day in and day out when we are awake.

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Dude... Shadow people are not real... It is a figment of your imagination. Its a real as anything that is not tangible and not actually there, and does not exist other then in a hallucination, in other words, its not real. Its just your imagination.

Ya, I guess ill give that to you.

thank you for this post. I had enough of this reductionist scientists saying they can explain the universe. Its like saying we know what consciousness is because certain signals go on in the brain and a reaction occurs. Completely silly. Not against science but its time to realize that science cant explain everything.

Magic is just science that people haven't figured out how to study yet (largely because it usually requires faith to work, and that kind of bias makes it hard to get objective, repeatable results). There is a lot we don't know about perception and how it ties into the nature of reality, or what reality even is. So OP is probably right, but so are you. Just filtering it through different lenses.

lol, no dude, its science. Biology.

But there is no evidence that god made the world, there is evidence that biology of the human brain makes our dreams. It is shortsighted to pretend that anything is true without evidence, and there is no evidence of shadow men or lucid dreams being some astral plane of existence. That is just foolishness, with no evidence to support it. Lack of knowledge, does not discount the evidence we have, we must go on the evidence there is.

Thank you. Most of the people in this thread, who got bitter and butt-hurt, really reflect the madness and delusional fanaticism of the primitive people from our past ranting about "sun gods" and freaking out when someone pointed out a much more logical explanation that now permeates our sciences. "The earth is not flat, the earth circles the sun, etc." What we are witnessing here is the bitterness and fanaticism of people who believe in nonsense like "lighting gods", and those people are not known to be rational or reasonable. And prone to freak-outs, fanaticism and nonsense positions.

Well said. I find it funny when people argue about things which they have little knowledge and experience of. Before we argue what's on the moon, shouldn't we at least try to get there? And if someone went there and came back telling us about it, shouldn't we at least consider there might be some truth? My advice is that instead of arguing what's real and not, people should try to experience LDs and altered state of consciousness more... and I don't mean a couple, or a dozen, or even a hundred. They should be experienced as a way of life, in thousands and perhaps much more! Then they will see for themselves what's real and not.

No no no.... An assumption would be thinking ". It could very well be a different realm our consciousness is transported to with entities" In fact that's more like a bad and un-educated guess. There is no evidence to support any of that.

Spiritually, as in souls, god, supernatural natures. Yes we can never find proof that the whole world, including all the laws of nature, isn't simply a subjective dream. But we do have proof that shadow men and LDs are not some spirit world, or mystical creatures, in regards to the REAL world we live in, regardless if that real world is a dream itself, as a separate entity.

But there sure as hell isn't any evidence to support the idea of LD taking you to the astral world, shadow men being real, or anything like that. You are misleading yourself. All evidence suggests its just your mind making a dream, and shadow men are just hallucinations.